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February 12, 2005

Unusual lengths: An exchange

My Saturday column (see below) elicited the following response from a Mr. Warren Kinsella. I had thought the matter was just between us, but as Mr. Kinsella has also seen fit to make his complaints public, he will perhaps forgive me for following suit.

On Feb 12, 2005, at 11:55 AM, Warren Kinsella wrote: No evidence, anywhere, has been tendered to demonstrate that I or David Dingwall “went to unusual lengths” to place Guite in charge of sponsorship. In fact, the program did not exist until more than a year after Dingwall and I were out of Public Works. The program commenced in mid-1997, as your newspaper has reported many times; Dingwall was shuffled out of PWGSC in January 1996. I went with him, then left government entirely in February 1996. Guite was placed in charge of sponsorship, as I understand, by Ran Quail and Diane Marleau, around the time that I was living in Vancouver. If you had bothered to pick up the phone to speak to me, or done the barest amount of research, you would have known that. Instead, your partisan rage about golf balls, I suspect, persuaded you to publish a lie. That was a big mistake. I am demanding that you correct the record in your next column, in the clearest possible terms. I'm not screwing around, either, Andrew. Norman Spector is not someone you should be treating as a source, as he and his libel counsel are about to shortly discover. I look forward to hearing from you. I've copied Jon Kay on this, in the event that he needs to get involved, which I suspect he will. Warren


Dear Warren:

I did not say that you had "placed" Mr. Guité "in charge of sponsorship." The "program" I was referring to, as is evident from the context, is federal advertising. And it was a program: As the Gomery inquiry has heard, following Mr. Dingwall's suggestion, federal advertising and communications were consolidated across all departments into one centrally administered, um, program. If you can think of a better word, please advise.

But let's pass on. Did you and Mr. Dingwall, as I state, go to "unusual lengths" to ensure that Mr. Guité was put in charge of this program? Let me quote from this story in The Ottawa Citizen, Sept. 16, 2004:

The bureaucrat at the centre of the sponsorship scandal was hand-picked by the Chretien government to revamp federal communication strategy, according to documents submitted yesterday to the Gomery commission. A 1995 memo from then-public works minister David Dingwall's chief of staff to the department's top bureaucrat urged that Chuck Guite be appointed to head a review that would centralize the buying and co-ordination of all advertising, polling and communications across government.... During questioning, commission counsel Neil Finkelstein asked Treasury Board Secretary Jim Judd whether political staff [that would be you, Warren] normally direct a deputy minister -- in this case Ran Quail -- on whom to appoint in bureaucratic jobs. Mr. Quail was responsible for the department's management, including who is hired and fired, to ensure the bureaucracy remains non-partisan and free from political influence. "How unusual is it for political staff of a minister to be directing assignments in the public service? That's a difficulty for the deputy minister, isn't it?" asked Mr. Finkelstein. "It's not a usual experience, I would suggest," replied Mr. Judd. "It is a difficulty for a deputy minister, isn't it?" Mr. Finkelstein repeated. "Yes," said Mr. Judd... Mr. Judd testified it is highly unusual for the minister's office to bypass the deputy minister and co-ordinate relations with PCO. He said Mr. Quail should have been talking directly to PCO, not Mr. Kinsella.



And then there's this, from the Toronto Star of the same day:

[I]n the wake of the sovereignty battle, Guite was singled out by onetime public works minister David Dingwall as the best person available to spearhead the development of a new, co-ordinated strategy to deliver federal advertising and promotional services. Guite, who then ran the government advertising branch that evolved into the sponsorship program, is "clearly best suited" to handle this project, Warren Kinsella, an aide to Dingwall, wrote in a letter to the deputy minister of public works in November, 1995. Kinsella wrote that the policy review, which was a priority of then-prime minister Jean Chretien, should investigate all advertising and "potential sponsorship initiatives that are available to effectively promote government programs," according to a memo tabled at the inquiry. The review led to the creation of one federal agency within public works - headed by Guite - which handled advertising, polling and the sponsorship program that produced the biggest scandal of the Chretien years.



Emphasis added. Your enthusiastic recommendation of Mr. Guité is all the more unusual in light of the following exchange, reported in the Toronto Star on Sept. 24:

The high-level political backing enjoyed by Chuck Guite, a former public servant at the centre of the sponsorship scandal, should have set off alarm bells among senior government officials back in the early 1990s, the Gomery inquiry was told yesterday. David Marshall, the current deputy minister of public works, was being cross-examined at the sponsorship hearings about how Guite was promoted regularly until he became an executive director in charge of Ottawa's multi-million-dollar communications budget. Richard Auger, representing Guite at the inquiry, asked Marshall about a letter in the mid-1990s from the office of then-public works minister David Dingwall to his deputy minister suggesting Guite should be promoted and put in charge of reorganizing all the government's advertising and public relations efforts. Noting that Guite's file was full of excellent performance reports, there would have been no reason to object to the promotion, Auger suggested to Marshall. But Marshall said it wasn't that simple. "When you get a minister's office directing you to appoint somebody, there's more than just competency for the job that you would think about," the current public works deputy minister said. Marshall said senior officials should have wondered if Guite was too close to his political masters for a mid-level public servant and too prone to cut corners to satisfy political aims. "I'm suggesting that a flag would have been raised, but that's just my own opinion." Marshall added that an audit of public works advertising activities under Guite in 1996 had raised questions about lack of compliance with government contracting regulations. "There was evidence on file that Mr. Guite was capable of breaking the rules," the deputy minister said.



Your emphasis on the sponsorship program not having begun until mid-1997, by which time you were out of government, seems to me misplaced, in two respects. One, so far as we define "sponsorship program" in terms of sponsorships, the federal government began sponsoring events in Quebec and elsewhere long before that date. (See, for example, The Ottawa Citizen, Sept. 28, 2004: "Mr. Himelfarb admitted that many of the events surrounding the sponsorship program were "unusual," including Mr. Chretien's signature authorizing the funds. Mr. Chretien signed three Treasury Board submissions to use the unity fund for sponsorships after 1996 and signed three others for similar events before 1996.") And two, so far as we define "sponsorship program" as a program, ie a continuing operation with established rules, practices and procedures, there was no such program, at least until 2000. In support, let me quote the following exchange, between Judge Gomery, with whom I believe you are familiar, and Paul Martin, the current Prime Minister of Canada:

THE RT. HON. PAUL MARTIN: Well, I don’t think that – I think that program is too strong a word, to be aware of a program, Commissioner. I think that there was a desire on the part of the government to increase its visibility in a multitude of ways. I think we all understood that that had become a factor, that there a program in the words – the definition of program that I would use, I don’t think I was aware of that in any event. THE COMMISSIONER: Well, we know now, with the benefit of what we have learned here, that there was no program. THE RT. HON. PAUL MARTIN: There was no program. THE COMMISSIONER: It has been called the Sponsorship Program, but until the year 2000, there was, in fact, no program in the sense of a --- THE RT. HON. PAUL MARTIN: Yes. THE COMMISSIONER: --- government program with rules and criteria and some form of organisation.



Perhaps you would like to take up your disagreement with these two gentlemen. So the notion that there is some bright line to be drawn between 1997 and previous years seems, if you will permit me, specious. In any case, if the whole controversy over sponsorships is as overblown as I gather you take it to be, if indeed you share the former Prime Minister's view that it was a well-intended and thoroughly non-partisan endeavour, I am at a loss to understand why you are so concerned to distance yourself from it. I fear you are responding in too much haste. The inquiry is still in its early stages. It has drawn no conclusions, nor have I: the column in question makes no accusations, but merely summarizes evidence heard under oath in a public inquiry (what we are "asked to believe."). In advance of the inquiry's report, I have no reason to hold you in anything but the highest personal regard. You, on the other hand, have recklessly and without evidence charged me with publishing a lie, ie a deliberate falsehood, an accusation which you can now see is untrue and I'm sure will want to retract. Very best wishes, Andrew Coyne
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42 Comments

Anonymous Anonymous:

"In any case, if the whole controversy over sponsorships is as overblown as I gather you take it to be, if indeed you share the former Prime Minister's view that it was a well-intended and thoroughly non-partisan endeavour, I am at a loss to understand why you are so concerned to distance yourself from it."Kind of like a Seinfeld skit. "I had nothing to do with sponsorshps, Jerry -- not that there's anything wrong with it."

2/12/2005  
Anonymous Howard Lesiuk:

Your summary makes it clear that we are being invited by a variety of liberal partisans (Martin, Chretien, Dingwall, Gagliano, Kinsella, etc. ad nauseum)to believe a series of impossibilities worthy of Lewis Carroll's Red Queen. Mr. Kinsella, perhaps not surprisingly, does not find your martialing of available information congenial to his cause. Too bad, so sad. His thrust regarding the accuracy and validity of your comments (complete with dark hints about actionability) was nicely and enjoyably parried.
I gather young lawyers have been advised: If the law is on your side argue the law, if the facts are on your side argue the facts and, if neither are on your side, attack the prosecution. I think the responses you and Justice Gomery have recieved from Liberal partisans invites a conclusion concerning which side the facts and the law lie on.

2/12/2005  
Anonymous Garth Wood:

You're ALIVE!!!Sorry. Just had to post that. Saw the good news over on Colby Cosh's site; I promise, I'll leave off now until I've actually got something to say...

2/12/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Controversy at long last with the Kinsella. Go at it,

Let the kettle boil. Where are the witches?

The knock at the door is heard. All that smoke means there is fire below. Dig, dig,dig.

We need a Budd Schulberg in Canada at this time. On The Waterfront is the model.

2/12/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Your column today Feb 12 was the best summary of the corrupt nonsense going on in Ottawa currently. I hope Judge Gomery gets to read it. And I also hope he keeps his off -the- cuff remarks to himself so we don't have to spend another several millions of dollars trying to get at the truth.

2/12/2005  
Anonymous Dean:

Wonderful to see you back Andrew!

2/12/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Warren will sue you. I would say sorry. Soon.

2/12/2005  
Anonymous John G:

Andrew, I love where Kinsella calls you "blindingly partisan". Warren..."Hello, Kettle, this is the Pot. You're black!"

Glad to see the return of this blog. Hope it sticks around this time...I've missed my daily fix of sanity in this Liberal wasteland called Canada.

2/12/2005  
Blogger Ghost of a flea:

Bwa ha ha!

2/12/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Is the same Warren Kinsella who wrote the strident defence of his hero ( printed in the Post)after the BDC-duhaime-influencegate, or as I prefer influencetien- I never interferred- you talk to whom you know, scandal- broke in the midst of the penultimate election campaign.

Please do us, and yourself, a favour by posting a link to that article. We can then judge for ourselves whether Mr. Kinsella's reputation has been damaged.

2/12/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Highest personal regard? Kinsella? He is totally without credibility or integrity here after that shining beacon of truth you laid out for us, Andrew. I thank God that we still have the calibre of journalistic talent, ethics and professionalism around today to counter the unprofessionalism, falsehoods and vindictiveness of Mr. Kinsella. I have zero respect for his hateful, antagonistic behaviour; it's about time that the twirp was put in his place. Come to think of it, you just did.

MJS

2/12/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

How could anyone have high regard for bloggers like WK who don't even use permalinks? Pah.

2/12/2005  
Blogger CC:

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2/13/2005  
Blogger Gord Tulk:

The Gomery Inquiry reminds me of the Senate hearings during Watergate. Nothing much happened at them, at least not until people started to be charged and started copping pleas. Chretien and Martin and Kinsella and others are merely staking out turf until the mounties come knocking and start asking leading questions based on what Guite, Galiano, the ad reps and a host of other people have confessed to. "Gomery" is so much window-dressing at this point.

Warren - never let them see you sweat - it's a dead give away.

PS - I had almost given up hope AC - very happy to see you back.

2/13/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Why is that Warren feels the need to constantly fight with and threaten bloggers. Is it to divert attention from the possibility that he's as sleazy and corrupt as Chretien and Martin Oh..can I say that or will he sue me.

Andrew, your blog is a great place to start but is there any chance you can put the links up to other sites like you used to?

2/13/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Kinsella is such a slim bag, no wonder Canadians have come to distrust govt and the people that run this country.
We need a new Party perhaps we could call it the Block Canada, as most of the problems seem to stem from you know where

2/13/2005  
Anonymous Michael J. Smith:

Memo to Mr. Kinsella:

Rule#1: Never pick on someone smarter than you. I thought you knew that.

Master Coyne has made you look rather ridiculous. When he wrote his Saturday column, he knew what kind of verbal chain reaction he was setting off: Predictably hasty and spiteful, you took the bait allowing Andrew to nicely catalogue the truth, while making you appear undignified and totally without class.

Mr. Kinsella, whatever your claims to professional integrity, journalism is not one of them. Unethical conduct, frivilous threats and extreme partisanship have no place in the written corridors of fact research and honest opinion. If you want to play your dirty game of reputational attack and political spin, run for office. As you well know, there are plenty of Canadians who love a good street fighter, although I'm not one of them.

But most of all, please remember rule number one. It is unbecoming of your political stature to be played the bloody fool.

Sincerely,
Michael J. Smith

2/13/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Bob takes it to Kinsella-Chretien-Wells and leaves the KY Lube at home.

2/13/2005  
Blogger JimBobby:

Whooee! Andyboy you got yerself one helluva pissin' match with that there Kinsellerfeller. You gotta stand up to them there liberal Troodoughmanic lawsuit-threatenin' an' it looks like yer pissin' way out past his piddly little puddle. If bullshit were raindrops that Kinsellerfeller'd be a flash flood.

I'm a new kid in this here Canjun boogeysphere an' I just started my own boog. I heard tell that Andrew is a bigtime booger who shut down his boog an' then started it up agin an' shut it down an' started it up agin. Up and down like a whore's drawers, as my old Pappy used to say. Now that you got it up, here's hopin' you can keep it up, Andyboy.

Yores trooly,
JimBobby

2/13/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Peter Newman says PM Martin is "immobilized"; Douglas Fisher labels PM Martin as Mr.Dithers. Greg Weston says he has been meeting with " Deep Throat Adscam".

Weston highlights 28 Feb. next as the day the lid comes off Adscam at the Gomery Inquiry.

The pundits have turned against PM Martin and his Liberal cohorts.

Quebec has already turned against PM Martin and his crew; will Ontario voters turn against PM Martin and his crew?

Dig hard, Mr. Coyne. Bring down the Liberals and PM Martin.

2/13/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Here's an email I've sent to Paul Wells. If I receive a reply I'll post it here.-----------------------------------
I believe Chrétien did a better job after 1995 keeping Quebec separatists on the wrong foot than his predecessor or his successor.

Mr. Wells,

or his successor. ?

Drinking the Chretien koolaid are we.


Has it ever occured to you that he could have declared that the Government of Canada would not respond to a bogus question. Or, even pre Clarity Act , he could have gone to the Supreme Court and asked whether the answer to such a question was binding on Canada.

And why do you refer to the theft of money as misfeasance. You have ad agencies with connections to the Liberal party receiving cheques for no work or for delivering cheques. The word for this is fraud- not misfeasance. And the people committing the fraud are not just those receiving the cheques, but those issuing them knowing that the monies being paid have not been earned.

And where are the prosecutions? And how much of the 100 million stolen is being recovered ?

And how is this possible in Canada?

I can answer the last question. Too few Andrews- Coynes and McIntosh and too many Wells, Simpsons, Tabers etc ( I won't even mention the partisans at the Star and CBC)

A former close advisor of the former Prime Minister, a lawyer yet, by referring to a Judge as GOMERY PYLE, kinsullies a Judge who is conducting a Judicial Inquiry into the misappropriation of 100 million dollars when he knows the Judge, because of his position, can't defend himself, let alone fight back, and you MSM boobs don't realize that this, by itself, is a scandal.

A former Prime Minister shows his contempt for a Judge and you MSM boobs think it's all good sport.

The courtesy of a reply would be appreciated.

Terence G Gain

2/13/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

It's difficult for anyone, when they were reasonably close to the action, to read any description dispassionately. Knowing more facts, it is easy to "read-in" details which were not included, or to take offense when none is given. If multiple interpretations are possible to a given phrase, it is very difficult to see a neutral interpretation but rather we colour the facts with our own knowledge.

The second challenge, of course, after reading-in additional details, is managing one's reaction. Usually, by the time we've learned to do so, we're pretty boring and old.

2/13/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Nice reply Andrew.

2/13/2005  
Blogger sam-i-am:

welcome back ac!

2/13/2005  
Blogger PR:

At the very least, Warren is entertaining. Unfortunately, he drags unwilling participants into his entertainment. Spector seems to have gotten the worst of it so far (I honestly cannot see what sparked off Warren's dislike of him), but you might be the next one, Andrew.

2/13/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

I received a reply from Paul Wells. It was substantively non- responsive so I won't clutter up this site by posting it.

It would seem Wells is very sensitive about MSM being called boobs. He didn't deal with my complaint about Justice Gomery ( who can't defend himself) being ridiculed as Gomery Pyle, while they say nothing. Looks like the kinsullying will continue.

Terry Gain

2/13/2005  
Blogger Gord Tulk:

Terry Gain - I think your not posting Mr. Wells' reply is quasi-censorship.

2/13/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

All in favour of Andrew Coyne being named Supreme Lord And Master Of The Universe? And this coming from a guy whose met the man himself...

2/13/2005  
Anonymous Paul Wells:

Gord, I told Terry Gain that I don't normally extend "the courtesy of a reply" to somebody I've never met who calls me a "boob."

I learn now that he also enjoys cross-posting his private correspondence to this blog and to letitbleed, without notifying the guy he wrote to. I know somebody who does a lot of that sort of thing, but the comparison would make Terry blush.

2/14/2005  
Anonymous Taka:

Well, looking at his site, it seems Warren has just surrendered, though he tries to dress it up as something noble -- "I am declaring an armistice with Coyne/Spector/Wells..." Whatever Warren. Looks like you just got your ass kicked. Thanks, Andrew, for doing the deed, and for letting us witness it all live!

Taka

2/14/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Ha! Warren - you can't call a truce after you already lost the battle. Nice try.

2/14/2005  
Anonymous Michael J. Smith:

Coyne slays the Prince of Darkness !!

I never thought I'd see the day.

Rule#2: Never mess with truth, honour and dignity. In the end, good always triumphs over evil.

2/14/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Kinsella's hudna reeks of taqiyya and kitman.

2/14/2005  
Blogger Don:

What a smuck.

He asks for a truce last week on my blog and then a few days later basically calls me a "deservedly anonymous white'n'right bloghater".

The truth is that Warren has been going to very extreme lengths to discredit Gomery. Read the e-mail he sent me back in October - I guess he thought I was a friend back then:

>From: "Warren Kinsella"
>To: "Don at talkcanada"
>Subject: RE: Hey dude - confidential
>Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:08:40 -0400
>
>She is indeed.
>
>Wonder how Ogilvy's got that sole-source, multi-million dollar assignment as commission counsel?
>
>What a coincidence.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Don at talkcanada [mailto:talkcanada@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:56 AM
>To: Warren Kinsella
>Subject: RE: Hey dude - confidential
>
>
>Is she John's daughter?
>
>Don.
>
>
> >From: "Warren Kinsella"
> >To:
> >Subject: Hey dude - confidential
> >Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:59:39 -0400
> >
> >Was going to put this up on my site, and then thought it might be something
> >we could have fun with in the blogosphere. Just don't source me. Over to
> >you:
> >* This [LINK: http://www.ogilvyrenault.com/en/biographies/bio.jsp?id=4905
> >] is an interesting coincidence. When you consider this [LINK:
> >http://radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/nouvelles/200409/07/001-commission-gomery.shtml
> > ].
> >
> >
> >Warren Kinsella, LL.B


This e-mail - especially including his reply - would be actionable if Gomery or his daughter were in a position to do something about it.

However, practically, they can't.

Sadly, Warren still gets the ear of the media even though he is deeply involved and is working overtime to discredit the Justice and his family in order to discredit the findings of the inquiry.

2/14/2005  
Anonymous dcardno:

Kinsella (Feb 14, 2005) "...I am declaring an armistice with Coyne/Spector/Wells/dozens of deservedly anonymous white'n'right bloghaters who I periodically torment for amusement...."First of all, Andrew, welcome back - this is much better than "Testing, Testing...."

Second, while you were cruising to an easy knockout, your over-matched opponent threw in the towel. I call it as a TKO without breaking a sweat.

Cheers,

Dean

2/14/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

I like the part in which Warren closes with Unless you go after one of my friends or family, that is. Then all frigging bets are off.This fits really nicely with his innuendo about Ms. Gomery quoted by Don above.

Yeah, he considers his family off limits. But to him, the families of his enemies are fair pickings.

What an elegant man.

But what kind of consistency would you expect from a 'blogger' who edits his archives for inconveniences?

2/14/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Paul Wells,

I apologize for cross-posting my very public email to you on letitbleed without notifying you. I had assumed (correctly) that you were monitoring both sites.

Be that as it may, I note that you have not responded to the substantive questions raised by me.

Perhaps it's not fair to ask you to explain why so many members of the media think that the mocking of a Judge (who can't defend himself) by a former Prime Minister and one his advisors is not something to be univerally condemned in a society so devoted to the rule of law- as opposed to the rule of men, but I thought you might like to take up the challenge on behalf of your colleagues. Apparently not.

In any event, you haven't explained why you use the word misfeasance to describe what is clearly fraud.

Terry Gain

2/14/2005  
Anonymous cpmoose:

I'm glad you're back. However, once bitten...I'm thinking of launching a pool concerning when we get the next "test".

2/14/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Terry,

Expect either no response or an angry-your-a-dumbass type rant. If you get either then you've probably touched a nerve.

2/14/2005  
Anonymous krb:

Who here seriously thinks Warren Kinsella could hold his own in a fight, as he claims on his website?

Anyone like Warren, who's a Quick-to-Sue Magoo, can't fight to save their life.

I still laugh when I remember Chuck Strahl givin' Warren the what-for in the dressing room just before a televised debate during the 1997 election. Chuck was having fun with him ...

Chuck [in his booming voice]: "Hey Warren, I heard [Ted] White's got your number ..."

Warren just mumbled something, while looking all clammy like he was about to throw up or something.

Nevermind Strahl, I think Ted White could take Warren. He'd bite his ankles off ...

Warren proves the adage that "if you give a fool enough rope ..."

2/14/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

Beware: Kinsella is one cunning linguist. He is taking heat/ deflecting the heat from the Liberals/Martin/Chretien/Adscam/Corruption & etc.

Time passes; Judge Gomery sends his report to?

The heat is off. Kinsella is appointed to the Senate.

Get back to Corruption Inc./The Liberal party.

Who is Deep Throat Adscam? What is under those stones/boulders? What is Kinsella worried about? Why does he sweat? Does he fidget? Is he drinking hard again? Dig into it , AC. Report back to us & all Canadians.

2/14/2005  
Anonymous Anonymous:

About time the "Ass-Kicker" gets his ass kicked too.

2/14/2005