April 11, 2007

G33KS 4 PR

By this time next week, the battle will be under way. As always, Ontario will decide. Barring the unforeseen, the province is about to become embroiled in an epic political struggle, one that could change the future, not just of Ontario, but of Canada.

No, I’m not talking about the federal election, or the provincial election. I’m not talking about a contest between the political parties at all..., but rather one that pits the parties -- the largest ones, at any rate -- against the citizens.

Or more particularly, the Citizens. As in the Citizens’ Assembly on Electoral Reform, 103 randomly selected Ontarians who have been deliberating these past seven months over how, or whether, to fix the province’s electoral system. This weekend, the assembly will decide whether to recommend sticking with the present system, known as “first past the post,” or whether, as seems all but certain, to propose adopting a form of proportional representation, the system in use in most of the democratic world. The issue would then be put to the voters in a referendum, to coincide with this fall’s provincial election. And if Ontario goes for it, you may be sure the idea will take on new life elsewhere.

By rights, the referendum ought to overshadow the election, a pallid affair between two cautious centrists that will change nothing. Change the electoral system, on the other hand, and you change everything, not least the predominance of cautious centrists: poll-driven, essentially interchangeable brokerage parties who wouldn’t know an idea -- or a principle -- if it bit them in the leg. Electoral reform holds the potential, as nothing else does, to transform our politics, from the present squalid auction of state favours to a genuine contest of philosophies.

Which is why the two main parties, Liberals and Conservatives, are already lining up against it. (The NDP is in favour, though for scarcely less self-interested reasons.) Expect to see other interests, heavily invested in the status quo, campaign strenuously to defeat it. The Citizens’ Assembly? It has the support of a handful of geeks like me. But stay tuned: a similar exercise in B.C. last year resulted in a 57% vote in favour of electoral reform, including a majority of the voters in 77 of the province’s 79 ridings -- inches short of the required margin.

Which is why it’s disappointing that the assembly punted on the innovative form of PR proposed for BC, known as the “single transferable vote,” in favour of the more familiar “mixed member proportional,” as used, for example, in Germany. The STV model -- or as I call it, the 1-2-3 -- has acquired a reputation for complexity, but as far as the voters are concerned it’s as simple as can be: you just mark your ballot in order of preference.

But the STV model also makes use of multi-member constituencies -- instead of just one member of the legislature per riding, you’d have as many as seven competing to represent you -- and apparently the assembly thought that would be a hard sell. Under MPP, by contrast, the majority of the members would be elected in the usual way, one member per riding, but with the addition of a certain number of members elected from party lists, according to the proportion of the popular vote each party received (hence “proportional” representation).

In the assembly’s model, there would be 90 MPPs elected in the ridings (down from 107), topped up with 39 elected by PR. Voters would mark their ballot twice: once for the candidate, once for the party. In the end, you get a distribution of seats that is not quite proportional, but not as outrageously distorted as is often the case under first-past-the-post.

So far, so okay. The clinching case for proportional representation is not in the name of fairness between the parties, but fairness between voters: to give every vote equal weight in deciding who is represented in the legislature, not just those who happen to vote for the winning team. The 1-2-3 model does that quite nicely; MMP, not so much.

Worse, the assembly opted to allow the parties to decide the order in which PR candidates should be elected from lists: what’s called the “closed” list system. (I told you I was a geek.) Far better would have been to allow the voters themselves to indicate which of a party’s candidates they wished to send to the legislature -- the “open” list system. Believe it or not, this is critical.

One of the legitimate criticisms of PR, once you get past the usual “Italy and Israel” nonsense, is that it puts too much power in the hands of the party brass to decide who gets in. STV answers this objection, and then some: local candidates in fact would be far more independent of party than at present, since voters could give a high ranking to an individual candidate they liked even if they gave low marks to the rest of his party. Open lists also pass the test. But a closed-list system is vulnerable.

No matter. Even a flawed version of PR is yards better than the system we have now. Once escaped from the bovine attachment to the status quo on which so much of the anti-PR case rests, there will be time to discuss improvements. But for now, the game’s afoot! Bring on the referendum!

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23 Comments

Rsimpson:

What has become of the AC I used to respect?? "...bovine attachement..." now thats insightful. You never needed to resort to insult to support your case, what has changed?
We suffer greatly from the myth of democracy; that if a little democracy is good then more democracy must be better. Jumping on the PR bandwagon requires more than an earnest assertion that its better cause that's the way they do it elsewhere.
Remember this no matter what polling system we apply politicians will still be politicians.

12/4/07 10:55 AM  
Alex:

AC, I don't know where you come up with this stuff. Anybody who supports first-past-the-post does so because they think it's legitimately a better system - the default opinion these days is "anything but". Speaking as someone in that group, I'm of the opinion that most of the problems with FPTP are actually problems with people being stupid about it(and that one isn't going to go away no matter how you elect MPPs). If people stopped voting for McGuinty or Tory and started voting for their local MPP, FPTP would be a lot less dysfunctional, just for starters.

And let's not forget the biggest advantage of FPTP - it produces actual governments that are supported by a good swath of the populace, as opposed to fractious minorities made of special interests and fringe parties. I know MMP isn't as bad as full PR for that, but a MMP system will be far more prone to minorities than FPTP is, and while I'm sure that all the pundits and political geeks of the world like minorities, most people hate them most of the time. This isn't an issue of "bovine attachment to the status quo", this is a legitimate policy disagreement with sensible people on both sides.

12/4/07 11:12 AM  
KRB:

I suppose what I fear in a PR system is that if the country is going down the tubes say, there is not as much ease as there is now with FPTP to have a major change in government and its direction.

When Ontario was floundering in 1995, Mike Harris would not have got in under PR and been able to steady the ship.

I'm also not a fan of a seperate candidate & party vote. And as for closed lists, surely there is a way they could fill out a party's allocation thru the best losing candidates of that party throughout a province (or whatever the delineation is; if it's like Germany, it will be by province). Perhaps some kind of formula that would spit out the "best losers" for a party that takes into account such factors as the popular vote % received (more is better obviously), % of eligible voters who voted (garnering 30% of the vote where 80% have voted is better than garnering 31% where only 40% have voted), the number of candidates on the ballot, etc.

I'm sure there's a Bayesian formula out there that could tell you which of two losing candiates has more genuine support and legitimacy.

And would it lead to parties being more principled in their beliefs? Sure, when they're running, but then when in coalition government each can shelve its most contentious bits to offer the same old cautious, poll-driven government we all dislike.

12/4/07 11:16 AM  
KRB:

And can someone fill me in on what the headline means? It isn't immediately obvious to me.

12/4/07 11:18 AM  
Kyle G. Olsen:

Geeks for Perportional Representation... you must be a n00b krb.

Personally I am in favour of incremental reforms, since it would be easier to start small. I think the logical place to start is instant run off vote in single member constituencies. It is more representative of what the people of the riding want than the complaints that are given for FPTP. It retains what most people like about FPTP, local representation.

Plus it generates a huge sample on voter preferences, and who goes to whom, which would be wonderful for political statisticians.

12/4/07 11:45 AM  
Anonymous:

It is l33t, or elite in a real language. You use bad spelling and replace vowels and other random letters with numbers that vaguely resemble English. In the early days of computing and the internet, nerds used it as a badge of honor, to convey that they were elite. I have been a programmer and computer guy for 15 years now, and I never had any use for it.

12/4/07 11:48 AM  
Mike Jr:

Okay, AC, in STV, what happens in the event of a tie?

34% 1st choice PC, 2nd choice Green
33% 1st choice LIB, 2nd NDP
33% 1st NDP, 2nd LIB

66% of voters prefer NDP or LIB to PC, but who gets knocked off? Is there a runoff as in FPTP? Are we going to eliminate the PCs in that runoff for their poor performance in finishing first?

FPTP is flawed, but STV is madness! Madness! Madness I tell you!

12/4/07 12:06 PM  
KRB:

I am a programmer and "computer guy" as well, and I didn't even see it!!

I've never had any use for that stuff either, beyond the lol's, btw, imho, iirc, etc.

12/4/07 12:21 PM  
John W:

Not only will more minority party candidates from the lists get elected, more maverick outspoken traditional riding candidates will be successful as well.

A voter will feel more free to vote for a local favorite on the riding ballot, knowing he can vote his party line on the party lists ballot.

The current system often leaves the voter torn between the two, leaving the decision on whether to vote the candidate or the party until the last minute, or what almost amounts to a coin flip.

12/4/07 1:39 PM  
Steve L.:

PR systems are indeed long overdue.

12/4/07 2:11 PM  
Sean:

To me, a well-functioning government has two things:

1. democratic legitimacy
2. the ability to implement an agenda

The second is hampered by coalition governments and proportional representation.

On many decisions, it is better to go one way or another than to hammer out a compromise in the middle. One of the qualities often attributed to strong leadership is the ability to make decisions quickly and effectively - even if these decisions are not always correct.

That is why I like first-past-the-post. I would rather have a liberal majority followed by a conservative majority than to have two consecutive coalitions. By having consecutive majorities, it is actually possible to directly compare the performance of one party against the other.

12/4/07 2:13 PM  
Steve L.:

oh and, ideally i prefer STV but with single-member constituencies. in multi-member ones there's always the risk of increasing intra-party fights at the expense of policy discourse. (see: Japan)

and having a party list cadre of seats concentrates power more to the ruling elites of the party level than otherwise would've been if nominations are devolved to the riding level for every seat. (see: Indonesia)

so while i think Ontario is on the right idea about PR, i don't think their system is a huge improvement.

12/4/07 2:18 PM  
Steve L.:

oh hey and it looks like i actually repeated someone Andrew already addressed. that was silly.

12/4/07 3:31 PM  
Anonymous:

Closed List proportional representation invites "zombie candidates" (Japan has had that experience - they lose everywehere in the public ballot - but *still get in*) getting in via "closed" party lists.

The problem is not with FPTP - it is that there in no provincial contitution that would disallow "arbitrary" policies once an administration got in (whatevery the balloting method - FPTP, PR, STV), say using a "bait and switch" platform - as has been done in BC by Gordon Campbell and the whatever his (ultra-right wing - probably "uber-reform") "BC Liberal" party has as its current alias.

Without an *accountable* platform - where decisions by an adminsitration could be reversed (nullified) for being disingenuously represented, and not within and adminsitration's (voted upon by hte public) mandate via an accountable platform - you can still have chaos - as for instance the selling off of public assets at whim (now occuring in BC) - without plebiscite - nor even
*debate* in the provincial legislature can you beleive. Foxes in the henhouse literally - and so-called "legally".

12/4/07 6:54 PM  
Ryan R:

Proportional representation is an admirably democratic in both letter and spirit way of determining the outcome of elections, but it's practical short-comings increase as the number of parties with any significant support whatsoever increases.

In Canada, with us having the Conservatives, the Liberals, the NDP, the Bloc, and the Greens (5 parties each having at least 5% support nationally) it would likely mean no more majority governments... ever. The last true majority government (i.e. a government that successfully captured over 50% of the popular vote in Canada) was way back in the 80s, and such outcomes have been rare in Canada for a very, very long time.

Hence, with proportional representation, you'd have perpetual minority governments, and/or shaky co-alition governments.

It leads to gridlock, a greater number of extremists on all ends of the political spectrum (since even communists and neo-nazis may be able to run parties that'll get 1% of the national vote), and far more federal elections in all likelihood.

Just imagine it... all the parties would be in campaign mode all the time. Actual governance being key would be rare.

In actual fact, it's amazing that Andrew Coyne would support such a thing.

It would strengthen Canada's left, lead to a weaker federal government, amd would likely mean more federal elections (which an earlier blog entry by Andrew suggested that he'd be against, as most of us would be).

I can't imagine a situation more out of synch with Andrew's current political viewpoints than that.

12/4/07 7:46 PM  
derrida:

I personally can't think of many issues on which the electorate of Ontario would reach a supermajority of 60% approval. Most nuanced discussion of electoral reform, while interesting, is also a moot discussion. Whatever will put forward by the Citizens' Assembly stands practically no chance of being adopted. I think we tend to underestimate the difference between a simple majority and a supermajority.
Frankly, I'm surprised the required "supermajority" threshold of 60% hasn't been the subject of more discussion. Personally, as someone who's long been committed to the need for electoral reform, I'm outraged that the Ontario Liberals unilaterally imposed this condition on electoral reform. I understand why they did it; the FPTP system has favoured most the party with the greatest portion of the popular vote. I don't understand why everyone seems to consider it superfluous to the discussion on electoral reform.
The forced condition of a supermajority is insult to the Citizens Assembly, and an insult to the people of Ontario. While I commend these Liberals for running for election in 2003 on electoral reform and opening up the possibility of such change, I cannot but condemn these self-same Liberals for making it virtually impossible to legislate such reform. Lately McGuinty has claimed a "neutrality" on the subject wanting only the voice of the people to be heard. He wants the people to decide but is willing to accept their decision only if nearly impossible conditions are met. I happened to be in the gallery of the legislature when McGuinty surprised more than the opposition by imposing this nearly unprecedented prerequisite of a “supermajority” on any referendum on electoral reform. Even members of his own caucus were visibly upset, evidently themselves left out of the decision to reject the usual simple majority condition on a referendum. McGuinty learned well from the BC referendum on electoral reform. Truth is, although he campaigned on electoral reform, nothing benefits his party like the status quo. And requiring a “supermajority” virtually assures him of that. It’s classic run from the left/govern from the right Liberal politics. This whole exercise is a mere pretense of “direct democracy”.
From Fair Vote Canada: http://www.fairvotecanada.org/
Dr. Dennis Pilon, University of Victoria political scientist and FVC National Council member:
“Apart from the recent PEI and BC referendums, no voting system change decision in Canada was ever subjected to a super-majority rule. In fact, the establishment of all Canadian federal and provincial voting systems was by a simple majority vote of the designers…[and] all western countries have seen the establishment of their voting systems or any changes in their voting systems handled either through a simple majority vote of parliament or a simple majority vote in a referendum.”

12/4/07 7:55 PM  
r a:

First off, it's not going to change much - politics is crap all over the world, no matter what the voting system. Second, how is that people get so worked up about the alleged unfairness of FPTP but never mention the gross inequality embodied in different riding sizes, some of which can be 2, 3 or 4 times as big as others, with a corresponding dilution of the individual voter's significance. Is cleaning up this barnyard going to be on the ballot come October? No? Didn't think so.

12/4/07 8:31 PM  
Beef Wellington:

"I personally can't think of many issues on which the electorate of Ontario would reach a supermajority of 60% approval."

Au contraire, I think 60% of Ontarians can agree that David Peterson needs a haircut.

13/4/07 12:28 AM  
Steve L.:

one thing worth mentioning is that PR can be flexible. for example, in Germany, the PR seats in the Bundestag is reserved for those parties that won > 5% of the popular vote.

we can impose a similar voting threshold for Ontario's PR mixed-member proportional proposal or STV. if we want a more stable government, we can limit legislative participation to parties that won > 10%, > 15%, or even >20% of the votes. just a thought.

13/4/07 1:27 AM  
Stephen:

Oh my here we go.

Bovine attatchment (guess I better moo)

Get past the Israel and Italy nonesense (good rhetoric but legitimate examples that must be avoided at ALL cost)

I am surprised you want to move and then fix later. This is pretty funadamental stuff.

I have been partially persuaded by the STV. Yes it answers one of my main criticisms that PR drawn from lists is less democratic and puts parties in charge.

However, we start to look at coalitions and minorities. You will find that power is determined at the margins and people will trade for it. Expect more Paul Martin Belinda moves, expect more budgets like the last one you saw...or worse....expect there to be more fringe issues brough to the table because the fring or margin will have something valuable to trade, so expect the rise of the Christian Heritage Party.

I would be all for PR in the Senate...no issue....commons should stay as it is. I really dont know what practical improvement you expect to see coming from this. Systems can drive outcomes, no question and FPTP drives some outcomes....

Bovinely Yours

Stephen

13/4/07 8:27 AM  
molarmauler:

I could never support any form of PR as long as we continue to fund political parties with taxpayer money.
In my mind it creates a wierd positive feedback loop where minor success of a fringe party could result in a illegimate legitimacy.

Moo!

13/4/07 10:18 AM  
AC:

I agree with molarmauler: public funding of political parties has to go. I seem to recall the Conservatives once held that position, but that was before the Great Reversal.

14/4/07 12:22 AM  
ALW:

I could support an STV system. I could support an open-list MMP system.

Can't support closed-list MMP though. The fact parties get to rank their lists seems really undemocratic to me - and isn't the point of this exercise? To improve the state of our democracy?

16/4/07 2:40 PM