April 4, 2007

Spring election? There's one way out

Let’s look at things from the Opposition’s perspective. On present trends, all three parties stand to lose if an election were called this spring. Sorry, did I say “lose”? I mean, are facing something approaching annihilation....

The Liberals are looking at polling numbers they have never seen in their history (one poll had them at 22%, though that was probably an outlier). Their leader, Stephane Dion, now trails Stephen Harper in leadership surveys by a two-to-one margin. The party is badly divided, its finances are weak, and fewer than one in five of its candidates has been nominated.

The Bloc is, if possible, in even worse shape. Even before the recent provincial election, their support among Quebecers had fallen into the low 30s, their worst showing ever. Given the historic trouncing their Parti Quebecois cousins have just endured, and the sense that Quebecers have turned the page, at least for the near future, on separation, the Bloc is confronting, not just a significant loss of seats, but an existential crisis.

The NDP, meanwhile, though above its historic low-water mark, is leaking support left and right, squeezed between the fast-rising Greens and the leftward-lurching Liberals. Like the other parties, it, too, would do anything to avoid an election just now.

Anything? Well, maybe not quite. If an election comes, it is almost certain to be via the government’s defeat in the House. (I say “almost certain,” in view of the Conservatives’ own bill -- passed by both Houses, though not yet proclaimed -- mandating fixed election dates, starting in 2009. So simply calling an election in the traditional way would seem out of the question. But given Mr. Harper’s recent about-faces, nothing’s impossible.)

But to prevent the government from losing in the House would require the Opposition to vote with it, or at least to abstain from voting against it. And given the highly public, sharply defined stands all three parties have taken on a number of issues lately -- Kyoto and the Anti-Terrorism Act, in particular -- this presents the opposition with a Hobson’s choice: vote against the government, and bring on an election they would rather avoid, or vote with it, and make utter fools of themselves. And not just once, but again and again and again, on any issue Mr. Harper chooses to make a confidence vote.

But are those the only two options? The assumption is that defeat on a confidence vote would automatically precipitate an election -- the third inside of three years. But in fact it would not. It would mean the fall of the Harper government. But it is up to the Governor General what happens next. Rather than dissolve Parliament and call new elections, she has the prerogative to ascertain, if Mr. Harper cannot command the confidence of the House, whether anyone else can. Indeed, it is arguable she has the constitutional obligation to do so.

Certainly she is under no obligation to accept Mr. Harper’s demand for dissolution. (She may be bound to accept her first minister’s advice in most things, but not in her choice of first ministers.) If she has evidence that someone else can lead a stable government, it is open to her to call upon him, and spare the country the expense and uncertainty of another election.

Is there such evidence? Yes. Indeed, one might even say the opposition is already governing the country in some ways. The three parties have voted together to defeat the government on a number of important issues; it is only because these were not confidence motions that the Tories remain in office. In doing so they have shown impressive solidarity, both within and across party lines. Should they wish, they could make a compelling case to Her Excellency.

Would they? I know what you’re thinking: King-Byng. But Byng was right, in law, most constitutional scholars agree. And though King was able to make Byng’s refusal of dissolution into a winning issue at the subsequent election, special historical factors were at work, not present today. First, Arthur Meighen’s government fell after a few short days, for wonderfully arcane reasons that need not detain us: had he been able to hold on for any period of time, King would have lost his moment. Second, Michaelle Jean is not a haughty colonial overlord, as King successfully portrayed Byng, but a wildly popular viceroy -- and as a black, an immigrant, a francophone, and a woman, untouchable four times over.

Still: would they? Would the Bloc agree to support the Liberals? Put yourself in their shoes: they have to do something dramatic. Their whole raison d’etre -- to prepare the ground for sovereignty -- has just disappeared. If they are to counter Tory arguments that they have no purpose in Ottawa, they had better find one; as members of a coalition government, in fact if not in name, they would at last be in a position to “deliver the goods.” There have been stranger virages before -- Mr. Harper’s “nation” resolution among them. And if they have to choose someone to prop up in power, who are they going to choose: Mr. Harper’s Tories, their most dangerous enemies, or the Liberals -- and Stephane Dion?

Would the Liberals accept their support? Again, what choice do they have? It would be hard to accuse Mr. Dion, the “extreme centralizer” of recent Tory propaganda, of being in bed with the separatists, especially if they were no longer quite separatists. As for the NDP, they tried propping up the Tories, and look where it got them.

I’m not saying this will happen. I’m not saying it should. But if I were the opposition, I’d be inclined to say: Have you got a better idea?

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78 Comments

Anonymous:

Doesn't that bill,

specifically apply to majority situations?

If it does, that's quite the omission, don't you think?

4/4/07 4:42 AM  
Ty:

Actually, I don't think so...but it does have an exception for a lost vote of confidence.

4/4/07 8:02 AM  
Country Boy:

Here's another idea that I’m not saying will happen, and I’m not saying it should, but I've mused about:

Is it possible that Harper believes the Liberals have painted themselves into a corner on Kyoto, and would allow the GG to hand them the reins of power, in order to allow them to implode and lose all credibility?

Just something I've mused about.

4/4/07 8:33 AM  
Cowardly Anonymous:

AC says: It would be hard to accuse Mr. Dion, the “extreme centralizer” of recent Tory propaganda, of being in bed with the separatists.

Except, of course, in the case where they actually are in bed with the separatists, which is precisely the situation you are describing - Stephane Dion becoming Prime Minister without an election and at historic lows in popular support only due to the explicit support ofthe Bloc Quebecois. This is a pretty juicy hammer to hand Stephen Harper.

A couple of other things as well. The "virage" you discuss with respect to the separatists would require at least a tacit renunciation of separatism - at the very least a renunciation of sovereignty for the time being. I think we are seeing now on the provincial level that that is an accomodation that a good part of the sovereigntist base is never willing to make, no matter what the circumstances. Happily, this seems endemic to the separatist cause - witness the current spectre of Boisclair being eaten alive for, among other things, being insufficiently solicitous of sovereignty on the campaign trail. What you propose would basically split the Bloc down the middle - I'm pretty sure there are those out at leadership levels in the sovereigntist movement who are willing to take the hit back to 25-30 seats rather than risk a massive fissure in their movement.

Constitutional precedents aside, I think there is at least the obligation to reference if not take into full account developments in the political arena over the previous 15 months. For example, in the ensuing period, two national leaders have been elected to head their parties - possibly a third if Duceppe were to rapidly break for Quebec City. I think you at least have to acknowledge that this, as well as other external issues (war, economic changes, etc) presents some difficulty for the GG in treating the 2006 election returns as if they had just happened.

Finally, and unrelated to the issue of what happens to the government in the event of a loss of confidence, in a recent blog post, you claimed that the Tories' Quebec policy was a failure - "no Quebec strategy so failed [as the Conservatives']" was the term you used. And yet - according to your column, the Bloc is polling at its worst levels ever and is facing an existential crisis, the Parti Quebecois have just had an "historic trouncing", there is a sense that "sense that Quebecers have turned the page, at least for the near future, on separation". Perhaps ancillary to this, but you also indicate that in the process, Stephen Harper has positioned the Tories as the Bloc's "most dangerous enemies".

How is this strategy a failure again?

4/4/07 8:33 AM  
josh:

This isn't a column. It's wishful thinking on the ruling party's behalf. Coyne is peeved nobody bothers with his blog anymore. But joining the Liberal cadre? Bit dramatic.

4/4/07 9:08 AM  
Country Boy:

"Coyne is peeved nobody bothers with his blog anymore."

Present company excepted, of course.

4/4/07 9:28 AM  
Bart:

Michaele Jean is wildly popular? When did this happen?

4/4/07 9:47 AM  
M. Grégoire:

Our politicians lately seem to be more and more crassly partisan. I'd be delighted to see the Crown use residual powers to reject the PM's advice, if Harper were contriving an election on essentially specious grounds. (For that matter, it's a shame that Clarkson didn't summon Martin to account when he de facto lost the confidence of the House in May 2005.)

That being said, the GG should only disregard the PM's advice and pick someone else to form a cabinet if it seems likely that the new administration would successfully hold the confidence of the House. Paul Martin didn't think he could do so in 2006, and the seat distribution has changed little since then. The other parties may fear giving Harper the chance to call an election now, but they would have great difficulty actually holding together: Duceppe supporting Dion? Dion allied with separatists? The NDP losing their lefty bona fides by propping up the Liberals again? They all agree on the importance of implementing Kyoto, but does anyone actually want the responsibility to do what would be necessary?

A decision by the Governor General to reject the PM's request for dissolution would be interesting, and it might even be deserving; but it's hard to see it actually happenining.

4/4/07 10:19 AM  
Jason Cherniak:

There's no way you would see a Liberal-BQ coalition. You might, however, get the BQ to agree to not bring down the Liberals at least until the next budget.

I would argue against it because I don't want to give NDP members credibility as ministers, but such a scenario could involve a Lib-NDP coalition with the BQ supporting the basic direction of government.

4/4/07 10:43 AM  
Anonymous:

Here's my theory:

None of the parties really want an election at all.

Harper is more than happy to have a lame duck opposition leader and is content to leave things as they are and ram through as much legislation as possible.

Why would he force an election with a possible end result of only a few more seats and a new leader after the Liberals sacrifice Dion?

Dion is speaking out of both sides of his mouth, first he says Liberals should be in power as quickly as possible, then he says Harper wants to force an election.

Well, which one is it Stephane?

Dion doesn't want an election because he will be turfed after the Liberals aren't returned to power.

Layton, and Duceppe stand to only lose seats, they certainly don't want an election.

So the only people who really want an election would be the contenders for Liberal leadership, say Iggie or Rae.

So all Harper has to do is stand back and wait for the Liberals to knife each other in the back as they continue to slide, and the more they slide, the nastier it will get.

The Liberals are polling the lowest in recorded history, some polls show them as low as only 5 points above the NDP.

All Harper has to do is continue governing and wait for the Liberals to implode.

Davide

4/4/07 11:09 AM  
Anonymous:

Davide: You think Harper wants to be "ramming through" crap legislation like the last budget? I know enough about the guy to know that he doesn't believe a word of it, and neither does most of Cabinet. They're doing it to establish themselves as a reasonable, moderate governing party and thereby win a majority. I don't expect them to go all Common Sense Revolution on us at that point, of coursebut they'll actually govern as a rightist party. That's their goal.

4/4/07 11:28 AM  
Anonymous:

So are you saying that you personally have knowledge of a hidden agenda? Because that is what you are talking about, governing one way, and then when you get the majority, only then do you uncover and implement your true policy. In my opinion, that is absolute and unmitigated horse excrement.

I voted for a conservative government, and I got Liberal-Lite. Not a very satisfying situation to say the least. What is the point?

4/4/07 11:56 AM  
KRB:

Cowardly, well put. Said more or less the same things as your 4th paragraph on AC's blog entry.

It's not going to happen. The NZ precedent matters not a whit.

I think AC's great, but he mailed this one in today, for sure.

4/4/07 1:57 PM  
ET:

Are you actually advocating that Dion set up a gov't of Canada with an alliance with a party that is, not merely ideologically committed to separatism, but above all, is only electable by one province??? You call that democracy?

You are saying that Canada should be governed by a party, the Lib-Bloc, where 80% of the population of Canada has no right to elect one third of the members of that gov't??

What's the matter with you?

Anonymous - the reason you are seeing 'liberal-lite' is because the majority of Canadians (Liberal,NDP, Bloc) have voted for 'liberal-lite'. You and I may indeed want a genuine conservative gov't but Harper has no chance to get any such motions passed in this Liberal-Lite House. Until he gets a majority - that's what he has to do, acknowledge the majority that exists in the House.

And this majority is busy rejecting all his conservative agendas, including watering down the accountability act, passing that crazy Kyoto bill, rejecting security measures, rejecting even limited terms for senators, rejecting an elected senate, etc,etc.

Coyne - you are a centralist. You don't understand decentralization. You think decentralization means the 'break up of the country'. That's exactly how you've been brainwashed by Chretien, who kept Canadians 'his' by his 'climate of fear of separation' (That's why Chretien did nothing in 1995; he wanted that climate of fear').

Decentralization doesn't mean a break up; it means more power to the electorate, the local electorate, to make faster, more viable, locally based decisions. Rather than having all decisions from a central, top heavy slow bureaucracy. Decentralizlation doesn't mean the breakup but the strengthening of a genuinely collaborative federation. It's the original BNA act - Trudeau and Chretien took away these powers and made Ottawa top heavy.

Again- what's with you - advocating that Canadians be governed by a party that they cannot elect and hold accountable??

4/4/07 2:00 PM  
AC:

I'm not "advocating" anything. Get a grip.

4/4/07 2:18 PM  
ET:

The fact, Andrew, that you were suggesting such a scenario, without absolutely refuting it, is a form of advocacy.

You were openly admitting the plausibility of a legal government of Canada consisting of at least 40 members of a party that is closed to the majority of the electorate.

That's not democracy.

Again, I think your adherence to a centralist mode of gov't is misguided. Decentralization has nothing to do with the breakup of the country; it would actually create a stronger federation. Within the Liberal/Chretien mode of centralism, Canada was kept together within a climate of fear - a fear kept alive by the Liberals as a political tactic.

Decentralization doesn't dissolve the federation but goes back to the BNA model of federation, that acknowledges the diverse regional geographies of a country as vast as Canada and enables the populations of these regions to keep control of local and regional decision making. This creates a strong federation rather than a dependent one.

4/4/07 3:18 PM  
Jim Whyte:

ET, you appear to have missed the last paragraph:

"I’m not saying this will happen. I’m not saying it should. But if I were the opposition, I’d be inclined to say: Have you got a better idea?"

Fact is 100% of Canadians have no right to elect 99.7% of Parliament. And there is precisely nothing wrong with that: it's called representative government, and it works a whole lot better than the rigid party-dominated system that frames thinking like yours. (Cf. Ukraine these last couple of weeks.)

The point is not (as AC says) that he is advocating this. The point is that it's entirely possible, and a perfectly legitimate custom and usage of Parliament for the Opposition to be sworn in as a government, and for minor parties (BQ and NDP) to support it or enter coalition. (Sign of apocalypse: I think Cherniak is correct on this point. Lifeboats and locust spray are over there to your right.)

Now, it would be thoroughly slimy -- though not undemocratic -- on Dion's part to cozy up to the [snark] other Quebec nationalists [/snark]. But would he do it if he wanted to form a government? We've seen more unusual things from Liberals in the past.

4/4/07 3:20 PM  
nomdeblog:

I’m not advocating anything , but maybe if anti-free trade Lou Dobbs is being switched out for Glenn Beck on CNN and the media world is changing with the times, then should the National Post be looking to get some real conservatives like Mark Steyn back?

4/4/07 3:22 PM  
AC:

ET,

The BNA Act? For real? The one with Sir John A.'s signature on it -- that assigns all residual powers to the federal government, the one that includes the powers of disallowance and reservation? That one, before the Privy Council rewrote it to provincialist designs (a bit of judicial activism conservatives never seem to recall)? Before Pierre Trudeau gave control of the amending formula to the provinces? Before all the other concessions subsequent prime ministers have made to the provinces, without getting anything in return?

But no, you don't mean that BNA Act, do you? You mean the fantasyland version of it, in which Sir John is Oliver Mowat, and the federal government is the creature of the provinces, and pigs have wings.

4/4/07 4:09 PM  
Calgary Junkie:

Davide:"All Harper has to do is continue governing and wait for the Liberals to implode."

I'm more and more convinced that this is just what Harper has in mind. Dion could easily find himself in the same situation that Stockewell Day was in shortly after the 2000 election--facing a breakaway group of MPs who have lost confidence in his leadership. The Canadian Alliance was lucky in that Day's problems occured when the next election was at least three years away. And a tremendous amount of fixing got done--chiefly a merged Conservative Party under new leader Harper. So the coup de grace for Harper would be to get a repeat of the Day disaster within the Liberal Party BEFORE the next election. If Harper manouvers to make that happen, and follows with a majority, and give what he's accomplished to date, he would be the unquestioned best political player this country has ever seen. Pass the beer and popcorn, there's a Liberal train wreck coming that I don't want to miss !

4/4/07 4:18 PM  
ET:

Jim Whyte - the fact is, our government is based on political parties. Nothing to do with 'rigid party dominated system'. It's the way our government operates. The part (got that?) with the most seats is asked to form the government.

Therefore, your 100% and 99.7% doesn't have any validity. And we have the situation where one political party is only electable within ONE province. Therefore, my point is that it, that party, has no right to make decisions for Canadians in all provinces.

Andrew - No, I don't mean that the federal gov't should be the creation of the provinces. You are belittling decentralization by such a pendulum swing. And certainly before Trudeau and Chretien took power away from the provinces by moving into health care, education, etc.

I mean the 1867 act; I mean the concept of decentralization that has been eroded over the years (see Gilles Paquet's arguments on this). As you know, the centralization of Canada emerged with the world wars and the federal gov't moved into education, health care, and moved more and more into intrusive economic subsidization etc.

The population of Canada is now no longer what it was during that post war era and importantly, the demographics have shifted. Before, Ontario and Quebec were equal, about 4 million each; and the rest of Canada was irrelevant. Now, the demographics have shifted; the West is larger than Quebec; Quebec has stalled - and the old centralism that focused around Ontario-Quebec is no longer viable.

My point is that Canada should reject that centralism that emerged with the world wars and move back to its original idea of decentralized provinces, with the federal gov't reduced, yes, that's right, reduced, to issues of foreign affairs, defense, communication, transportation, etc.

Decentralization doesn't mean balkanization; it doesn't mean a split up of the country; it means that governance is closer to the people affected; the people are more in control of their governance - and that's the way a robust country should operate.

4/4/07 4:36 PM  
AC:

Did you even read what I posted? The BNA Act was not a decentralist document. It assigned enormous power to the federal government, while restricting the provinces to "matters of a merely local or private nature." It was drafted in the wake of the Civil War, for heaven's sakes: you think the fathers were going to draft a document of states' rights?

As for Trudeau/Chretien centralism: Trudeau gave the provinces control of the amending formula. He entrenched provincial control of resources. He entrenched equalization. He converted block grants into tax points -- Gilles Duceppe's demand! Chretien, post 1995, pulled the federal government out of half a dozen jurisdictions, passed legislation "lending" the federal veto to each of five regions, and signed the Social Union agreement, commiting Ottawa not to use the constitutional spending power in areas of provincial jurisdiction without the support of a majority of the provinces, among other restrictions. Some centralism!

4/4/07 5:09 PM  
Goodwin Ginger:

ET,

Mr. Coyne is precisely right the original BNA act (indeed you can view a copy of it in any introduction to Canadian politics textbook) was a very centralist document. And there were reasons for that such as economic development and security.

ET you do know that Alberta did not even exist at the time of the signing of the BNA right?

Andrew is perfectly right (and he is no friend of mine), it was the privy council (un-elected lords in the UK) which effectively re-wrote the BNA to make it more decentralist. Judicial activism indeed!

These are the facts that are accepted by 98% of all scholars of Canadian politics and Con law. ET you need to phone home.

4/4/07 5:38 PM  
ET:

I disagree; the BNA act set up the federal gov't, in section 91(2)in matters of defense, foreign affairs, international trade, fiscal, transportation, the economic union.

Section 92, the powers of the provinces, referred to property, civil rights, health care, daycare, municiplaities, labour relations, natural non-renewable resources, etc.

In all these areas,the federal gov't, in particular the Liberals, has intruded more and more.

Trudeau, in my view, with his Charter, centralized authority and divided the country into two (Quebec and the ROC) and further divided the ROC into isolate ethnic groups. The Charter privileged the group over the individual. The Charter focused on linguistic and ethnic groups, and decisions about them are within the control of the federal gov't.
How about Trudeau's NEP? Some provincial rights there?

Chretien pulled the federal gov't out of funding provincial areas but didn't decrease federal taxation to enable the provinces to increase their taxes to actually carry out these responsibilities. What was Chretien using that taxpayer money for?

I maintain my point, that Canadian gov't since the world wars in particular has moved more and more into a centralist mode. This original centralism was based around the demographic and economic reality of Canada - as operative within Ontario and Quebec. These two 'provinces' defined Canada at the time. This is now over, but the federal gov't, which has moved into almost all provincial areas - (health, education, family, trades, labour, resources, and industries)...hasn't moved out of these areas.

There's a nice article on this very issue, by Ian MacDonald, 'Two Mints in One'. Find it at triple w dot lianmacdonald dot ca slash speeches dot html

4/4/07 5:57 PM  
Sean:

The biggest problem of a lib-ndp-bloc coalition would be attempting to iron out the inconsistencies.

For instance, if the liberals sided with the bloc, then they would not be able to rail against Harper's decentralizing tendencies, and they would have to abandon their tendencies towards large national programs like national daycare, because the bloc would refuse to take part in anything that might interfere with Quebec's jurisdiction.

The NDP and Bloc would have the same troubles.

For the bloc, whose raison d'etre is essentially separatism, it's hard to see them actually compromising this single principle by collaborating with parties that oppose it.

The only reason the three parties have been successful collaborating now is because they can CHOOSE which issues they collaborate on.

If they formed a coalition government, they would be forced to collaborate on ALL issues, or alternatively negotiate the issues over which each party has jurisdiction, which is likely an impossibility.

4/4/07 6:14 PM  
KC:

Actually ET, I've read s. 92 and see nothing about "health care, daycare...[or] labour relations". Whether or not those subjects would properly fall under s. 92 they aren't there.

You say you "disagree" with AC and then do nothing to rebut the fact that the same BNA Act that gave you s. 92 gave the federal government the power to reserve or disallow anything the provinces do with that power. If you ask me that sounds pretty 'centralist'.

Either make an argument about what the constitution does say--and recognize all of the arguments that it was a centralist document--or argue what it should say. Don't blend the two, and don't try to justify your decentralism by reference to the text of the BNA Act.

4/4/07 7:07 PM  
stephen:

The general history goes that the BNA act was a centralist document, Macdonald referred to the provinces as glorified municipalities, and that the powers assigned to the feds were all important ones.

There was a strongers states rights movement in the US that is embedded in their constitution...BUT the supreme court in the us gave increasing amounts of powers to the central government, largely through the governong of interstate commerce.

The SC up here generally trimmed back the the Federal governments powers and upheld things like provincial resource rights etc etc.

The lack of a national securities regulatory authority is one example....the lack ability of provinces to play beggar thy neighbnour without it being declared illegal is another....

The Charter was a cetralizing piece in that a federal document was allowed to supercede the provinces based on individual rights (generally a good thing)

Whether it has been misused to bring about collective entitlements under and individual guise is another point altogether.

Anyway, generally BNA vs US constitution are cetralist and decentralist respectively in their original conceptions...they have each been modified over time

4/4/07 7:20 PM  
Anonymous:

I guess evryone has heard the story about Churchill being challenged on how far he would go to find allies to support a policy he was advocating and would he not even make a pact with the Devil. He responded that he was ready to make a favorable reference to that personage in the House of Commons if it helped Churchill gain support for his policy.
Bite on it, that is a true coin. I think a lot of guys need to spend less time fooling around with strategy talk and more time pushing policies that are useful to Canada, except of course for Cons who are not interested in Canada, only in power to do to everyone as they please.

4/4/07 7:56 PM  
Ty:

ET, wow. Really. Think about it for a second: Those jurisdictions you list...how much government involvement was there in those areas in 1867? About nil. Even then, it was only the erosion of the Constitutional balance of power by the JCPC in Westminster that decentralized even to the point of the provinces having a decent amount of power.

Either you haven't learned history, or ideology has blinded you to facts...any belief that BNA was decentralist is, well, absolute nonsense.

4/4/07 8:16 PM  
nomdeblog:

Before we bring Money Guns and Lawyers to settle the BNA Act can’t we define the problem of the original post more simply?

AC’s post either in jest or to be provocative suggests a possible arrangement with the Bloc to form a government. This gets a Conservative's hair to stand on end.

That’s because for many Conservatives we see the next big issue as:
The solution to Quebec and the growing regional diversity of the ROC as being found in de-centralization.

We assume de-centralization will fit with “autonomist”. We also assume that because most of Canada lives in cities and those cities according to the BNA Act have nothing to with Ottawa that we can kill 2 birds with one stone.

Therefore by de-centralizing we can keep Québec happy (happier?) and we reverse all the down loading Martin did out of Ottawa toward the Provinces and then the Provinces did to municipalities. For example Health Care support out of Ottawa dropped from 50% to about 15%. That got picked up by massive increases in municipal taxes. Thus the fiscal imbalance issues are totally out of whack and we have Harper now funding the TTC (thank God somebody is).

So AC, there you have it and I know you don’t agree with fiscal imbalance and I know you are a centralist and I now know that you don’t think the BNA Act has anything to do with de-centralizing. I’m not hung up on the semantics. Maybe BNA isn’t synonymous with decentralization. But the fact remains that like a lot of Conservatives, I will never trust Ottawa again to have as much money and power as it exercised in the 1990’s. And I sure as heck don’t want to belong to a country that would entertain having the Bloc form a government in Ottawa.

Having re-read all that .. I have to admit that I probably haven’t avoided the need for Money, Guns and Lawyers. Keeping it simple isn’t easy.

4/4/07 10:14 PM  
MK:

"I’m not saying this will happen. I’m not saying it should. But if I were the opposition, I’d be inclined to say: Have you got a better idea?"

I don't have a better idea, no. But the concerned parties DO have one, now.

It's weird you know, one day Andrew's accusing us of abandoning our democratic principles and next he's issuing a small pamphlet style article w/ instructions on surgically taking control of a goverment by the opposition.

The search for the elusive Mr. Hyde continues...

4/4/07 11:39 PM  
MK:

and I might add a strategy that requires the assent of the unelected GG. Appointed by one of the opposition parties and belonging to and havng former allegiances with aims of the other.

4/4/07 11:42 PM  
MK:

and I might add a strategy that requires the assent of the unelected GG. Appointed by one of the opposition parties and belonging to and havng former allegiances with aims of the other.

4/4/07 11:42 PM  
KC:

I don't see how its any less democratic for two or more opposition parties with more than 50% of the seats to govern than it is for a party which has less than 50% of the seats to govern merely because it has a plurality of seats.

5/4/07 12:59 AM  
Werner Patels:

The scenario that Andrew has drawn up for us is essentially what normally happens in a system governed by proportional representation. The first-past-the-post system doesn't work anymore, and it's high time Canada moved towards PR because the FPTP system is one of the most undemocratic ways of electing representatives.

The Tories can work with the NDP, and some in the Liberal Party can work with the NDP, but I really don't see the BQ cooperating with the Liberals.

While it sounds like a nice idea, i.e., having all three opposition parties work together, it is nothing more than a Technicolor dream.

5/4/07 1:04 AM  
Erin Weir:

An even better Technicolour dream on the same scenario: Layton as PM.

http://progecon.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/prime-minister-layton/

5/4/07 1:46 AM  
Rick Shaw:

According to the Ipsos chart on A BCer in Toronto's blog (an April 2 post), the Tories haven't moved at all since the election, while the Liberals have gone up one measly percent. Since conventional wisdom states PM Harper wants a majority (and by God, he's willing to no longer govern as a conservative to get one), I have to wonder why people think he's interested in calling an election? The Liberals might fall even farther down; but even if they don't, what's the point of putting the country through its third election in three years to get another minority?

5/4/07 2:15 AM  
AC:

There seems to be a misimpression in a lot of the posts above that we elect governments in this country. We don't. We elect parliaments.

The government is formed by the member of Parliament who, in the opinion of the Governor General, is best able to command the confidence of the House. By convention, that person is the "leader" of the largest "party" in the house -- two terms that appear nowhere in the Constitution -- though it is not mandatory. Indeed, not only is it possible for a prime minister to govern without his party being in the plurality (let alone majority), he doesn't have to be the party leader, or even have a seat in the house -- though convention dictates that this last state of affairs should not last long.

That is why Stephen Harper is now Prime Minister: he was asked to form a government by the "unelected" Governor General, in exactly the same fashion that many readers find so scandalous with regard to Mr. Dion. Mr. Harper is neither more nor less legitimate an occupant of 24 Sussex in this regard than Mr. Dion. If Mr. Dion should happen to be appointed to the job, well, so was Mr. Harper. Their fitness to hold it is entirely dependent on their ability to command the confidence of the House to which both were elected, and remains so for the life of this parliament.

5/4/07 2:32 AM  
Ferd:

This misimpression of electing governments is exactly why no party would want to form a government without an election first.
Despite what may be consitutionally possible, Canadians would take a dim view of the legitimacy of a negotiated government that bypassed my sacred voting rights and they would be trounced in the next election.

5/4/07 9:39 AM  
Anonymous:

Andrew: Thank you so much for pointing out that we elect parliaments and parliamentarians in this country and not governments, and that because the terms "party" and "leader" do not appear in the Constitution, the meaning assigned thereto should be given lesser consideration.

I wonder if you could therefore do me a solid and go back and correct some small errors in about 15 of your columns and posts in February 2006, where you claim that the decision of one parliamentarian to switch sides from opposition to government is a horrendous affront to our democratic traditions, and should be subject to special election, but that the transfer of, say 101 of them, doesn't offend our constitutional conventions and shouldn't therefore merit consultation with Canadians.

Particularly in light of your recent comments regarding Conservative partisans' jettisoning of beloved constitutional conventions, your variance between strict constructionism and developmentalism is somewhat perplexing.

5/4/07 10:25 AM  
ET:

KC and others - I still don't see your conclusion that the BNA was centralist; what about those arguments (MacDonald, Paquet) that it was not and that centralism emerged with the two world wars - particularly since the economic and demographic weight of that era was centrally located in Ontario and Quebec.

Health, day care, labour relations? Check out 92.7 for health; 92.16 and 93 for daycare; and labour in 92.10, 11, 13, 14, 16. And section 95.Yes, the semantics was different but the actualities referred to those issues.

Canada is now too large for a centralist govt. I'm aware that Andrew Coyne is a strong supporter of centralism, but I think it's an erroneous structure for a country with the demographics and geography of Canada.

5/4/07 11:05 AM  
ET:

A good reference that argues against the increasing centralism of the federal gov't, defining it as illegal according to the BNA Act, can be found in a Fraser Institute Publication by Burton Kellock and Sylvia LeRoy, on Questioning the Legality of Equalization'.

Essentially, the federal gov't has no legal right to divert funds from its taxation to areas under provincial jurisdication. But this is exactly what has occurred over the years in issues such as health care, education, child care.

Quotes from the analysis include that a federal-provincial transfer program "that uses federal tax revenues for provincial purposes...should be held illegal unless and until the Canadian Constitution is amended to provide for them"...these include "provincial welfare, education and child-care spending".

There are reasons for this, apart from the violation of sections 91 and 92 of the Constitution. The reason is that 'It makes it difficult for citizens to attribute political responsibility to one or the other level of government - thus breaking the thread of accountability required for responsible gov't - a core convention of Canada's parliamentary system'.

The 26 page document can be found at
http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/shared/readmore.asp?snav=nr&id=767

5/4/07 11:59 AM  
Ty:

Those are fringe opinions. Why would disallowance and reservation be put in the Constitution if the Federal government didn't want control over the provinces? Why does the Federal government appoint Lieutenant Governors? Through the Constitution, the Federal government has the right to go where it wants, POGG power and all.

If you actually think Sir John A. would have agreed to anything remotely suggested by those authors (Macdonald believed that provinces should pretty much have the status of County governments in the UK), you're as delusional as those two are.

5/4/07 12:39 PM  
Ferd:

Has there been a poll identifying if Canadians are weary of minority governments? Feature Quebec having recently just elected one provincially, is this the era of perpetual minorities? Rather, in the wake of the sponsorship scandal, are majorities no longer trusted. Perhaps we do need to develop a "parliamentary" tradition if to avoid a plague of elections.

5/4/07 1:30 PM  
ET:

ty- I don't think that MacDonald or the Fraser Institute can be defined as 'fringe opinions'. I'd suggest that you check out the Fraser document.

The BNA act is quite clear on the separation of powers between the Parliament and the 'exclusive powers of provincial legislatures'. That's the point - 'exclusive powers of provincial legislatures'.

And, the federal gov't has no constitutional authority to collect federal taxes and transfer them to the provinces to spend in areas of their exclusive responsibility. The issue is about the rights of the citizen to hold their taxes to account within the gov't that administers those taxes. What has happened since the World Wars has been the increasing encroachment of the federal money into provincial areas of jurisdiction - weakening citizen and provincial legislative control over these areas.

No - the case is that through the constitution, the federal gov't does NOT have the legal right to go wherever and do whatever it wants. The Constitution says it specifically - 'in each Province the Legislature may exclusively make Laws in relation to Matters coming within the Classes of Subjects next herinafter enumerated"...and there are 16 categories of exclusive provincial jurisdication. Education is section 93 - exclusively the right of Provinces. Section 95 adds agriculture and immigration as SHARED responsibilities.

As for what John A. might have thought - that remains pure speculation. I'm just going by the BNA act as it stands.

As for the Lieutenant Governor - he/she is appointed by the Crown on the advice of the Privy Council, not by the federal government.

The fact that all issues not assigned exclusively to the provinces belong to the federal gov't (in differentiation from the US) - does not make Canada a centralist nation. Canada is a federation, and as such, it is not centralist but decentralist, with important taxation and legislative powers to the provinces.

What 'decentralists' are asking is a return to this federal structure - acknowledging that the federal intrusion into provincial affairs is not constitutional. As noted 'The federal spending power...is still not part of this Constitution"..and 'the federal gov't was raising money through federal taxes that was then used for provincial purposes'.

I suggest that you read the Fraser Report.

5/4/07 2:22 PM  
D.J. McGuire:

OK, perhaps I should ask AC this question directly (and yes, I am changing the subject away from the BNA): Do you honestly believe the BQ can prop up Dion without cratering in Quebec and its Ottawa caucus heading for the exits?

As you say, this is all based on MPs - in particular, Quebec MPs who know full well that the separatist and anti-Liberals who elected them would drop them like a Menu Foods smorgasboard for Solidaire, the Greens, or (if the ADQ precedent holds) even the Tories.

I'm guessing that Duceppe would lose at least half his caucus if he tried this, whereas if he went to the voters right now, he'd lose less than six seats.

Do you disagree?

5/4/07 2:33 PM  
Anonymous:

Funny you post the Liberals are in trouble (22%) while having a link on same page that shows the Libs at 31%.

Hack.

5/4/07 2:47 PM  
AC:

Yes, and you'll notice I said the 22% poll was probably an outlier. So how about these numbers: Leger (March 28): 27%. Ipsos-Reid (March 22): 29%. Angus Reid (March 7): 28%. Decima (March 4): 29%. Angus Reid (Feb 27): 26%. Decima (Feb 26): 27%. Strategic Counsel (Feb 18) 29%.

Altogether that's seven national polls (eight, counting the outlier) in the space of six weeks that put Liberal support at less than 30%. Some others put them above, but the point is that the Liberals have never polled less than 30% in any general election except for one: 1984, when the Grits pulled 28% of the vote. In three recent polls -- four, counting the outlier -- they are below even that level of support.

Hack! Wheeze! Cough!

5/4/07 3:30 PM  
Anonymous:

Hack! Wheeze! Cough!

Ha!

I may be just a cowardly anonymous poster, but I still think that was funny.

5/4/07 4:10 PM  
KRB:

AC, I'm fully aware that we do not elect a government, or at least not directly. The government is formed by the GG, acting on convention. But those conventions also have it that the GG should only act to form that government in a young House, one that is less than a year old (and it appears GG Clarkson was given advice for even less than that, at 6 months!).

If you want to move to a system like Germany's where the Constitution does not have a mechanism to deal with a fall in government, meaning that their Reichstag lasts for the full term, then pass the amendment first. Otherwise, dance with the conventions that brought ya ...

Really, I thought you would've come around from your daydreaming by now.

5/4/07 4:20 PM  
KRB:

KC: I don't see how its any less democratic for two or more opposition parties with more than 50% of the seats to govern than it is for a party which has less than 50% of the seats to govern merely because it has a plurality of seats.

I'm totally with you KC. The hang-up is that the (now) opposition parties missed their chance to form this coalition government structure in the immediate aftermath of the last election. If the NDP had supported Martin, he would've remained PM with a combined strength of 132 MP's and nearly 48% of the vote.

Whether the Bloc would've voted confidence in them is another matter, as is why the NDP would've wanted any part in a coalition with the scandal-plagued Liberals.

But Martin could've at least tested the House. I would think he would've failed, and then Harper would've been asked to form the government.

For whatever reason, coalition governance has not been part of our parliamentary history, save for Borden's Unionists, and I suppose Mackenzie's government in the period after the Pacific Scandal shattered MacDonald's government, and prior to the 1874 election.

After the next election, if Harper is unable to win a majority, the combined opposition can cobble together a coalition government to oust him from power. That would be fully within their constitutional rights, though how it would play amongst the ordinary Joe Canadian is another kettle of fish.

The main thing is that a dissolution request will 99.9 times out of 100 be granted in the current circumstances. If there were mass protests outside Parliament Hill and a nationwide general strike, only then in extraordinary circumstances would the GG be within her rights to dismiss Harper and tap Dion to test his hand at governing.

5/4/07 4:44 PM  
Anonymous:

If you believe that the 22% poll was an outlier why mention it in your post?

Because you wanted to use an INTERNET poll that even you did not believe was accurate to support your flimsy argument.

You can post as many polls as you want but most still tell the same story. Both Liberal and Conservative support is not significantly different from the previous election. Few polls indicated the Conservatives will win a majority once regional breakdowns are taken into account. Being at 60+% in Alberta won’t win you any extra seats in the rest of the country.

In fact once regional breakdowns are taken into account most of the fluctuations seem to be occurring in Quebec. Even the Quebec results seem to be all over the place, even you can’t believe with any certainty that Quebec will give Harper a majority. He sure the hell isn’t going to be getting a majority from gains in Ontario and the Atlantic provinces.

5/4/07 4:55 PM  
KRB:

How our system operates: click here

See the emphasis on "early into the 1st session of the new Parliament", etc.

5/4/07 5:43 PM  
MK:

"That is why Stephen Harper is now Prime Minister: he was asked to form a government by the "unelected" Governor General"

That's a good point, but tradition dictates that this is largely an ornamental appointment. I don't think I'm employing hyperbole when I say that heretofore Canadians understood the position of the GG as an ornamental one. In fact, this is the reasoning given for the rather lax manner in which the GG is appointed and excused when found wanting in the execution of her traditional responsibilities.

You've stated that it's legal, but your scenario defies convention and directly contradicts the GG's status as figurehead. So what you, say? She is a figurehead with limited powers, and it is legal for her to use them. But at who's behest, Andrew? Your's, the Liberals, the Bloc? No, but at the behest of the Dominion, and I'm assuming for the good of.

Will the fact that the GG is a woman, black and francophone be enough to guide this her through what is obviously a very grey area for a traditional democracy? Pray tell, in what capacity do human interest stories for the CBC prepare one for such weighty decisions?

But I guess up in that mad attic the GG breathes golddust and her body odour moves the earth ever closer to Peace, Harmony and Understanding. And Andrew Coyne innocently tosses off little stratagems just for the hell of it.

By the by, why is it your so opposed to an election?

5/4/07 6:03 PM  
Cowardly Anonymous:

A couple of words in defence of Andrew for a change:

- The 22%, I believe, was from an Angus Reid survey. The methodology included 2000+ online interviews, granted, but I understand that online interviewing is now pretty much SOP for most major polling companies and is more or less indistinguishable from other survey methods like telephone contacts. Anyways, if you want to go after Angus Reid for being a Johnny-come-lately in the polling field who has no idea what he's doing, have at it. Coyne noted it was an outlier, but not much of one, given recent polls.

- As to the idea that everything is more or less identical to 2006, there have been, as Andrew has pointed out, numerous consecutive surveys showing slightly improved showings for the Tories over the 36.3% taken in 2006, and slight reductions from the Liberals' 30.2% 2006 showing. Why is this important? There were 49 ridings won by less than 5% of the vote in 2006, 22 of which were Liberal (vs. 18 Tories, 6 NDP and 3 Bloc) - actually 23 if you now include Garth Turner on the Liberal side. Small differences in the popular vote matter.

I guess what I would argue is that is appears premature to rule out the possibility of heavy losses for the Liberals, or against significant pickups for the Tories in Ontario and Quebec, based on recent polls.

Details on close ridings can be found at http://www.sfu.ca/~aheard/elections/marginal-seats.html

5/4/07 6:17 PM  
AC:

I should note that Angus Reid Strategies had the closest read on the Quebec election. Anyway, I thought I was supposed to be shilling for the Liberals?

5/4/07 6:23 PM  
Steve L.:

only you would know who you're shilling for Andrew. as a blind "Tory partisan" (tm) i don't want an election. and i'm sure that the Liberals don't want one either. and you don't seem to want one, as well. but i'm not sure if all of our reasons are the same. my reasons, as i've staked out before, for not wanting an election has nothing to do with shilling for the Liberals.

5/4/07 8:09 PM  
AC:

Let's try this one more time, Steve. I DON'T CARE: I don't care whether we have an election or not, and I don't care who the government is. It wouldn't offend me if the Governor General called upon the Liberals to form a government, and it wouldn't offend me if she didn't. I'd be pretty put out if Harper simply called an election, on his own initiative, having said a thousand times he wouldn't -- and having passed legislation to forbid it -- but if he loses a confidence vote then I don't care what happens after that.

5/4/07 8:23 PM  
D.J. McGuire:

AC,

So you're basically teling us after all this time and hot air that it ws just an analysis piece.

OK, that's fine, but the analysis is stil flawed.

I still would like to know why Duceppe would go along with this when it is all but certain his caucus will shatter to pieces. He'd lose far more MPs from crossers in your scenario then he any poll says he would lose going to the voters.

That's my point, and as of this comment post, it is still undisputed.

5/4/07 9:19 PM  
D.J. McGuire:

That should read ". . . than any poll says he would lose . . ."

Sorry about that.

5/4/07 9:20 PM  
langmann:

@ AC

Who cares what the GG thinks really?

In the end I'd rather see the liberals and NDP (for which is the most likely alliance, and not the BQ) run a campaign based upon an agreement to work together afterwards RATHER than choosing to do so later.

I want to know exactly what I am voting for. Half the time its hard enough to figure out anyway.

6/4/07 3:13 AM  
biff:

The Libs were ousted primarily because of the fact that their party was engaged in one of the worst corruption scandals ever.

The public clearly does not want them back in any time soon. They also seem to think Harper's government is not doing too bad a job.

And yet Andrew says he would not be offended by the governor general handing the keys over to the Libs. A Liberal appointed governor general.

Andrew sites "convention" as making this possible. Apparantly one instance (which is distinguishable) makes a convention. All the other times when a minority government after being in power for any material length of time (near a year - indeed most minority governments don't go past 2 years) recieves the "consent" of the governor general, those I guess are "unconventional" outliers.

Not being offended by the offensive,

is itself,

offensive.

6/4/07 10:03 AM  
ron in kelowna:

Now we all know. Andrew Coyne said it himself.

"He doen't care who forms the gov't." Even if it is the Liberals. Under Dion, no less.

Yep, Dion, a 'front-line' member of the most corrupt, scamy, adscamy party/gov't Canada has EVER seen. And AC doesn't care.

Now we all know. AC will swallow anything, ANYTHING to maintain his type of dictorial, PMO type of dictatorship. Straight from the centre, the centrist, in TO.

6/4/07 1:45 PM  
KRB:

Wow, some of you guys are taking this all waaay too personally. Chill out!

I don't care which way AC leans. Actually, I do, but it's because he strives to be objective that I like reading his column, and value his opinions. Same with Chantal Hebert and Rex Murphy.

Of course I don't always agree with what AC says, this GG scenario being the latest such time. I think he's out to lunch on this one, but whatever. Reasonable people can agree to disagree. I don't need to go lookin' for insidious reasons why he's written a certain article, to somehow comfort myself or whatever the need is some of you lot are tryin' to fill. Someone went all the way to callin' AC's cuz Trudeau's brood-mare, or something like that. WTF?! Really ... WTF?!?

Disagree with AC all ya want, but leave behind the idiotic rationalizing of what base motivation is at its root ('cos there is none).

AC's site hasn't had this much to-and-fro since the Quebec nation debate. It's good healthy stuff, but please keep it clean!!

6/4/07 3:56 PM  
Steve L.:

i'm sure Andrew means well. that's why i comment on his blog, and not Cherniak's. and as long as i respect him (i don't always have to convince you that i actually respect you HA HA!) and as long as he'll allow free comments i will be here.

6/4/07 7:06 PM  
Ken:

I forget my King-Byng but ... I think she can ask another member of the same party easily enough, but that it would be unacceptable to cross the aisle. Was that not precisely what happened in King-Byng?

7/4/07 12:27 AM  
Ryan R:

Andrew Coyne wrote... Yes, and you'll notice I said the 22% poll was probably an outlier. So how about these numbers: Leger (March 28): 27%. Ipsos-Reid (March 22): 29%. Angus Reid (March 7): 28%. Decima (March 4): 29%. Angus Reid (Feb 27): 26%. Decima (Feb 26): 27%. Strategic Counsel (Feb 18) 29%.

Altogether that's seven national polls (eight, counting the outlier) in the space of six weeks that put Liberal support at less than 30%. Some others put them above, but the point is that the Liberals have never polled less than 30% in any general election except for one: 1984, when the Grits pulled 28% of the vote. In three recent polls -- four, counting the outlier -- they are below even that level of support.

Hack! Wheeze! Cough!


That's an excellent point, Andrew. At this time, the Liberals 'enjoy' near historic lows in party support.

Given that, would it not be somewhat unseemly, and certainly against the spirit of any ostensibly democratic nation if not the letter of such a nation's laws, to have the Governor General dissolve Parliament over a non-confidance vote, and make the man who currently leads those Liberals to near historic lows in polled support the Prime Minister of Canada?

Yet, in spite of your succint argument here, you would not find such an action 'offensive'.

In fairness, I think that you've taken too much heat for your original post on this blog thread - I think that you were probably just exploring interesting, even if unwanted, possibilities for your readers to consider - but your later statement of not finding the idea offensive given the Liberals' (and epsecially Stephane Dion personally) current standing in the polls, does give me pause.

7/4/07 4:07 PM  
AC:

He could only govern with the support of the other two parties. The same applies to the Conservatives. Each represents a minority, both in the House and in public opinion. But when supported by the other parties, each can claim majority backing.

7/4/07 4:58 PM  
AC:

So the question, again, is who can command the confidence of the House. If Harper can't -- as defeat on a confidence vote would confirm -- and if Dion can -- a big if -- then there is nothing unconstitutional or anti-democratic about the government changing hands without fresh elections. We elect Parliaments in this country, not governments.

As to which party one would prefer to govern, I leave that to the partisans. Myself, I see less and less to choose between them.

7/4/07 5:04 PM  
Ryan R.:

AC wrote... So the question, again, is who can command the confidence of the House. If Harper can't -- as defeat on a confidence vote would confirm -- and if Dion can -- a big if -- then there is nothing unconstitutional or anti-democratic about the government changing hands without fresh elections.

I agree that there wouldn't be anything unconstitutional about it, but I disagree on the democratic point.

I do think that a change in which party holds the position of being the governing party, due purely to an action that does not involve counting votes (short of MPs of the governing party being indicted for criminal behavior) is inherently anti-democratic.

We elect Parliaments in this country, not governments.

Yes, but every vote cast is a vote casted with a particular desired government in mind.

As to which party one would prefer to govern, I leave that to the partisans. Myself, I see less and less to choose between them.

Strange... you yourself made excellent points on one of the CBC excerpts that we can watch video of on your site here. Back on Valentine's Day, you rightly pointed out Stephane Dion and his Liberals have backed themselves into a corner as it pertains to the Kyoto issue, and on them actually trying to start meeting Kyoto targets within two years - which would likely involve the ruin of Canada's economy to start meeting in such a short span of time.

Stephen Harper's more long-term vision as it pertains to reducing greenhouse gas emissions may be somewhat less environmentally friendly, but it at least is economically sane.

... Would a Liberal/NDP/Bloc co-alition government - for which meeting Kyoto targets would be one issue that could serve to unite them - actually seek to force Canada into meeting Kyoto targets soon, and at the risk of the decimation of Canada's economy?

You have made valid criticisms of Stephen Harper and the Conservatives, but I strongly doubt that he would take us down this road, Andrew... and that may make all the difference in the world.

7/4/07 5:56 PM  
Anonymous:

RE:

So the question, again, is who can command the confidence of the House. If Harper can't -- as defeat on a confidence vote would confirm -- and if Dion can -- a big if --

Its pretty simple Andrew, Dion doesn't have the numbers.

Libs + NDP are way short.

They can't form government without either the Bloc's numbers or the Conservatives.

He can't join a coalition with the Bloc, they have stated many many times that the Bloc's reason for existance is to separate from the government not become part of it.

What I find hypocritical about this whole situation is that you have Dion voting against every confidance motion in the house and then claiming that HARPER wants the election (note to Dion - If you don't want an election stop voting against all the confidance motions)

About there not being any difference between the two parties, I tend to have a different view.

Chretien/Martin/Dion are still doing politics the old way, put your promises on a string and dangle them in front of the voters until you win the election, and then tuck them away until the next election...

Run around the country and promise the same things again and again. How many elections did the Libs promise daycare, deal for the cities, blah blah blah.

They then buy off the media with plum appointments and giving their preferred journalists early access to all of the plans.

Finalized by continually dangling the money in front of the special interest groups, but never ever actually delivering it.

All Harper has done is, well, ran the government.

The daily gong show has ended. You may not like Harpers plans, but he actually has plans.

Now some folks would like Harper to run a Conservative style government, but, wait for it, he doesn't have the numbers to do that. Its pretty simple.

Harper has effectively bypassed the media and gone directly to the people, and especially, the people who would consider voting for him and frankly, the media is sure sounding like Dion these days.

But I certainly understand how the media would like to return to the good old days (for them anyhow)

7/4/07 6:01 PM  
Robert Ede:

Distribution of Powers.

Much is discussed re: ss.91-95 distribution of LEGISLATIVE Powers, but not much talk on the (purposeful lack of) distributtion of EXECUTIVE Powers.

There is no distribution of these.

The General gov't (GG in Council s.13) can disallow any provincial bill (s.90).

The Governor General appoints the Lt Governors (s.65)who can withhold assent (s.90) on any bill or reserve the bill to the GG in Council (must follow advise of Privy Council, ONE of whom {at least}will be top-dog from Lower House).

Please remember Canada IS NOT a democracy (sovereignty flowing from citizens) it is a constitutional-monarchy (sov. flows from Crown, certain specific topics delegated to the general & provincial Legislative elements).

BUT authority and executive powers all lie in the Crown (discussion on who/what that is another day).

These executive powers have never been distributed.

8/4/07 10:26 AM  
ron in kelowna:

Ryan R, you nailed it on the head !!

You, and others, revealed the folly behind AC's logic.

As any Centrist/PMO type would, Andrew would give up what he has often described as 'Good Government' for a return to the Adscamy ways of a Kyoto-hoax ruining "friendly dictatorship.

(With respect)I would have expected better from such a well known journalist. However, with the invent of the Internet and blogs, it is plain to see that many ordinary Canadians have a better understanding of democratic ideas.

9/4/07 12:34 PM  
KRB:

AC: So the question, again, is who can command the confidence of the House. If Harper can't -- as defeat on a confidence vote would confirm -- and if Dion can -- a big if -- then there is nothing unconstitutional or anti-democratic about the government changing hands without fresh elections.

The unwritten convention that guides the GG through the process of installing a government forms part of our Constitution, so only in very extraordinary circumstances (basically a Canadian Orange Revolution, or whatever colour's en vogue at such time) would your scenario NOT be unconstitutional.

The GG's powers as WRITTEN in the Constitution aren't the be all, end all.

It's like this. The Constitution basically proclaims in writing that the GG could leap from one side of the Grand Canyon to the other without breaking a sweat. All of those who surround her play along and say "of course you could Your Excellency". But good luck if she ever decided to test out the veracity of those written words.

9/4/07 3:50 PM  
genslub3:

Makes you wonder why libs voted against the budget.

9/4/07 4:33 PM  
Ryan R.:

Ron in Kelowna - Thanks. :)

9/4/07 7:44 PM  
Gabriel.:

You guys should take a cue from TSN... find a wheel, put "What if..." scenerios on said wheel, find a monkey, let said monkey spin wheel. This entire post is based on "What if our Governor General suddenly, for the first time in 80+ years, becomes a political force in this country." If Jean, as wonderful a GG as she has been, was to actually -- suddenly -- become the deciding factor in whether a government falls it would be a political crisis this country has rarely seen. Unelected officials determining what government is best for me, a voter? F*ck that. The GG is CEREMONIAL only. She doesn't get a say in the day-to-day operations of government.

11/4/07 5:59 AM  
Jack Kerouac:

You guys should take a cue from TSN... find a wheel, put "What if..." scenerios on said wheel, find a monkey, let said monkey spin wheel.

I'm for Gabriel's plan. Gabriel for PM is 2008!

11/4/07 2:52 PM