October 2, 2007

MMP does not mean appointed party hacks

What about the other members, elected from party lists? To whom would they be accountable? Wouldn’t they just be appointed by party leaders, beholden only to them? And whom would the leaders appoint, but the sort of timeserving hacks willing to be so beholden? At the very least, would we not be creating two tiers of members?...

To recap from previous columns: our present, plurality voting system greatly exaggerates the support of the first-place finisher, handing a minority of the voters a majority of the seats -- and all of the power. It favours established parties over new, regional over broadly-based, with corresponding inequities between voters.

Indeed, it leaves most voters effectively disenfranchised -- their votes elect no one -- even as it sends the parties chasing after a tiny sliver of swing voters, suppressing meaningful differences of ideology in favour of a few overhyped wedge issues. The result: long stretches of centrist monotony, broken by wild, almost accidental lurches to the left or right.

Proportional representation, on the other hand, makes every vote count, and every vote equal. As such it ensures majority governments really do represent a majority, whether under one party’s banner or in coalitions. It opens up the political market to new competitors, and encourages parties to compete in healthier ways: by the earned increments of persuasion, rather than winner-take-all bets on split votes and other vagaries of the current system.

So in principle the case for PR has been made, notwithstanding the alarmist fears of its opponents -- of paralysis and instability, of parties “breeding like rabbits” and extremists holding parliament to ransom -- fears notably unsupported by actual experience in the scores of democratic countries around the world that use PR.

But what of the specific model of PR before the voters in next week’s referendum in Ontario? In an effort to assuage fears of the unknown, the Citizens Assembly -- the body of ordinary folks who spent months sifting through the alternatives -- proposed a hybrid system known as mixed-member proportional, grafting elements of PR onto a traditional first-past-the-post base. That preserved the familiar single-member ridings of old, but at the cost of raising other objections.

What about the other members, elected from party lists according to the parties’ share of the vote? To whom would they be accountable? Wouldn’t they just be appointed by party leaders, beholden only to them? And whom would the leaders appoint, but the sort of timeserving hacks willing to be so beholden? At the very least, would we not be creating two tiers of members?

Let’s deal with the last concern first. You could as well say we had two tiers of members now, of course: those appointed to cabinet -- by the party leader! -- with all the responsibilities of office, and those who remain mere “private” members. Yet each gets the same vote when it comes to legislation, and no one seems to have a problem with that. 

But in fact, both list and riding members would be elected on largely the same basis: by party affiliation. Local representation is all very well, but it’s not clear how significant it is even now. That’s not how members are elected -- every study shows party is overwhelmingly the most important factor -- and it’s certainly not how they vote. 

In any event, experience in PR countries suggests that even list members wind up cultivating a local constituency; as often as not, they appear both as riding and as list candidates. That’s in the party’s interest, first of all: since every vote counts equally, it pays to cast the net as widely as possible. But it’s also in the candidate’s interest, to better their chances of re-election. 

Recall that list members are elected as a residual of riding elections: A party gets as many list members as are needed to make up any discrepancy between the number it elects in the ridings and the number it is entitled to based on the party vote. So a party might be allotted 12 list members this election, but with a better showing in the ridings, it might get only 4 next time.

Yes, but wouldn’t these lists be made up of party hacks, chosen on the basis of loyalty to the leader? First response: Have you had a look at how candidates are chosen now? Where they are not appointed by the leader, they are typically chosen by busloads of instant members. 

Second response: Why would parties do this? Why would they commit electoral suicide? Why would their members let them? It’s one thing to impose your hand-picked lackey on some poor riding association somewhere, amid the hurly-burly of a general election. It’s quite another to post an entire slate of ward-heelers and log-rollers to represent the party -- in the shop window, as it were, where everyone could have a good look at them. 

Again, the experience in other PR countries is that list members tend to be chosen democratically, by internal party elections. Notably, that is true of the two countries with systems similar to that proposed for Ontario: New Zealand, where it’s required by law, but also Germany, where it’s left up to the parties to decide. And in fact all four of Ontario’s major parties have formally committed to do the same. As one would expect -- if competition between parties were not enough to ensure a more open process, agitation from the membership almost certainly would. 

Indeed, one result of electoral reform might well be to force the parties to adopt more democratic nominating processes generally. After all, if they are going to have “clean” lists, they can hardly avoid the ridings. That alone would make the experiment worthwhile.

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16 Comments

Mark Dowling:

If MMP had existed when John Tory became leader of the PCs, he wouldn't have needed to provoke a by-election in a safe seat - and carpetbagging at that, albeit not unopposed as is common.

Under MMP, he could have eased out a list MPP.

As for undemocratic party appointments - how about David Emerson, undemocratically imposed on Vancouver-Kingsway by Paul Martin only to turn his coat?

2/10/07 8:12 PM  
Lord Kitchener's Own:

Thanks you.

2/10/07 9:26 PM  
Scott Tribe:

Good column, Andrew, and with good timing, as the Liberals announced today
they are committed to democratic methods to choosing their list candidates. As you say, that means all four 'major' parties are committing to this; even John Tory, who we in the Yes camp were giving a rough ride over his remarks in the National Post a couple of weeks ago has also committed to his PC party picking list candidates democratically, which is to his credit.

With the Liberals announcement, the "appointment of party hacks by party leaders" argument is officially debunked and destroyed.

I'll wait with baited breath to see if the Toronto Star editorial board issues an apology and a retraction for that part of its editorial on MMP.

2/10/07 9:31 PM  
Anonymous:

Why not just give a party the additional votes they will acquire for list members and not have people hold the seats?
A list member will always vote with the party, so why not just make it automatic?
Same result. A lot of money saved.

3/10/07 1:33 PM  
AC:

What do you do then for those parties that elect no members from the ridings, but have a substantial proportion of the party vote? List members are all they have.

3/10/07 4:11 PM  
Anonymous:

If we had MMP now, do you think McGuinty, Sorbara, Tory, Hampton and other top-level party members would run in a riding or be on the list?

What do you think the expectation of the people would be regarding this..."Oh look at [so-and-so], too chicken to run in a riding, so he hides behind the list. So gutless!!" ?

Consider Hampton, running in Northern Ontario in a riding the geographic size of France. As a party leader, you'd have to assume he'd run on a list so that he wasn't torn between province-wide campaigning and winning his seat.

I wonder if most of the key Cabinet positions would be made up of listers under the assumption that party leaders and other top-level people (Finance Minister, Attorney General, Energy Minister, etc.) are too consumed with their responsibilities to the province, and therefore should be on lists, instead of having to deal with mundane riding matters.

3/10/07 7:24 PM  
Ty:

My personal favourite part of this proposal, and the system, is that it allows for the bigwigs in the party to be on a list. This actually allows a real representative for many ridings, instead of a traveling minister. Also allows ministers to concentrate on their portfolios, rather than patronage projects to secure their seat.

3/10/07 7:45 PM  
Pete:

Anon, I'm sure they would run in ridings, as winning a riding is more likely than the chance that a party will recieve a varying number of list seats. Remember it is only if the party gets less riding seats than proportional vote that list seats get assigned. Bigwigs would rather know they have a seat then wait for calculations to come in from Elections Ontario.

3/10/07 7:48 PM  
Scott:

First, during the last election McGuinty signed a pledge not to increase taxes and he broke his word on that in the first 2 weeks of being in power. So the vague "yeah it would be democratic" statements of all 4 parties means nothing really. "Democratic" means so many different things - some say FPTP is democratic and some say it isn't right?

Also, the thing that bothers me the most about "the list" is basically people who get soundly defeated and run out of office in the general election will sneak back into power through the back door. So for instance someone like Brian Mulroney, who was wildly unpopular at the end of his 10 years in power, could get back into power by putting himself as #1 on the list.

I'll bet that #1-#20 on each parties list will be the big name politicians in case they lose their riding seat, and the so-called democratic candidates will be #21 onwards.

3/10/07 9:11 PM  
Splendor Sine Occasu:

I have a question...under this system, is the number of ridings reduced? Would this mean that 4 large rural ridings with 4 MLAs (or MPPs in Ontario) would become one super riding with only one representative (the other being a "list" MLA)? If this is so, I would not favour such a system were I living in a rural riding.

This is one reason why the Citizen's Assembly in British Columbia rejected MMP (the other was because they felt the parties would have too much power under MMP). Under their favoured Single Transferrable Vote system, 4 rural ridings would become one super riding, but they would still send 4 MLAs to Victoria. Even though there was no visible campaign for or against, and it is a very complex system, STV came very close to passing the referendum.

4/10/07 2:30 AM  
Aamir:

Scott: If Brian Mulroney had put himself in as #1 on the list then the Conservatives would have really been destroyed in the party vote (instead of the situation where they did pretty well and got 2.1 million votes).

The list, especially the top of it is an extremely important thing that will be pored over by the media and other parties for campaign fodder. Any party that is foolish enough to put unpopular people high up on the list deserves the drumming coming their way.

Splendor: The ridings are increased in size by 15% overall. The extra 39 province wide members also provide representation as AC pointed out local seats are the only safe way to get into parliament in MMP and the only way to do well in local seats is to provide local representation while in office, list or local members.

4/10/07 9:13 AM  
Meany:

Okay okay hold on... So based on the above comments re party leaders running on the list, it seems in the new system, the "Party vote" section of the vote ONLY applies if the party you voted for got less seats than it "should have" in the FPTP component. SO, if a party gets 40% of the FPTP vote, they will likely get the vast majority of the elected seats, so the party list will not apply, therefore I wouldn't expect to see McG or Tory on the list anytime soon unless they plan for their parties to lose (another note, can they run locally AND be on the list too?). However, say the Liberals win big in the FPTP component, couldn't one make the argument that those who say, vote for a Tory candidate, and Liberal for their party-list, end up with "wasted votes", since neither of their votes will apply to electing anyone? That's the whole point of this, isn't it, to make sure votes end up electing someone, somewhere? This system is wacky. What happens if en-masse people vote for Conservative local candidates and Rhino party on the second ballot, for example?

5/10/07 3:17 AM  
Aamir:

The Party Vote always applies Meany. The point of the party vote is to ensure that the number of seats a party gets OVERALL in both list+local seats matches the proportion of the party vote. If the party doesn't need list seats then that's great.

In your example the party vote for a Liberal party even when they don't need list seats is still useful to the Liberals since if that party vote wasn't there other parties would have a better proportion of the party vote for other parties and legislature would look different. Taking away that vote makes a difference because that vote is fulfilling a purpose.

5/10/07 11:13 AM  
John W:

I support MMP, but I am still not sure why the second or party list vote is needed. It will add to instability.

If the list members were based on the percentages derived from the riding votes, then only parties who have run in local ridings, and of course the more ridings better, could get list members in the Legislature.

To me that's a better threshold than the 3%.

And encouraging voters to split their vote doesn't seem to offer any advantages except to artificially boost the minor parties more than they deserve..

5/10/07 11:55 AM  
hosertohoosier:

So Andrew,

Are all of the folks telling me that MMP means more women, more minorities, etc. lying? Because if the nomination system is the same as the status quo I don't see how that is going to happen.

So maybe you should tell Marilyn Churley and Elinor Caplan, who made just such an argument FOR MMP in a demonstration at Queen's park today that she should end her support of the policy.

6/10/07 12:06 AM  
Anonymous:

I have two simple questions for the skeptics who don´t trust the process by which the political parties will put the names on the list: Who is selecting the riding candidates under the current system? And is this done in a transparent and democratic fashion?

Being a recent immigrant from Germany I am quite familiar with MMP, not only from elections in Germany but also from elections for the European Parliament. MMP does not lead to any more instability or minority governments or any of the other fear-mongering scenarios than the current system. But it empowers the voter because it ensures that every vote counts.

9/10/07 9:48 PM